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b]Jesus was baptized--WHY? To fullfill ALL righteousness--which means He was doing what was right and just.[/b]

In Acts 2:38 It says to be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sin and you will receive the Holy Ghost.

I have said before that baptism does many things for us and one of the things is it puts us into a sonship relationship with the Father.

LOOK what happened when Jesus was baptized:
When He came out of the water the Holy Ghost fell upon Him and THEN the Father acknowledge Jesus and said, 'This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.'


willby Jesus always Had the holy spirit he never cease to have it.  sorry but this will not work and again for acts 2:38 you annoy The basic greek wording of it

Jesus did not get the Holy Ghost and acknowledgement from the Father for just believing! HE fullfilled All righteousness and it pleased the Father!

Do you want to please the Father? Or your pastors/priests and church?

He fullfilled ALL righteousness!! YOU MUST do the same!

Jesus said to follow Him--do what I do--I am the good shepard and His true sheep will follow Him.

Not because it is a ritual but because it is a commandment to us.

Go into ALL nation and baptise!! WHY? BECAUSE Christ Jesus wants people to enter into His Kingdom by being born of the water and the spirit.

Baptism is not works -- Jesus called it fulfilling ALL righteousness.

STOP following RELIGION and follow Christ in 'The Faith' in the doctrine of salvation.



willby you are twisting  The bible first off all righteousness   is refering to His baptism was to begin His ministry which you do not seem to understand.

OOK what happened when Jesus was baptized:
When He came out of the water the Holy Ghost fell upon Him and THEN the Father acknowledge Jesus and said, 'This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.



also Jesus was always acknowledge.   even The angels were singing about His birth.

This probably should be in the theology section, but it came up here.

The concept of being born in sins or with sin comes primarily from Psalm 51:5 or 51:7 in the Jewish verse numbering.

A modern Jewish translation of this states: "Behold, with iniquity I was formed, and with sin my mother conceived me."

This has been a puzzle to rabbinic scholars as this quote from Rashi's commentary on this verse shows:

"Now how could I not sin when the main part of my creation was through coitus, the source of many iniquities? Another explanation: The main part of my creation is from a male and a female, both of whom are full of iniquity. There are many midrashim to this verse, but they do not fit the context of the psalm."

I believe that if doctrinal prejudices are put aside, this verse (and the rest of Psalm 51) shows plainly that we are born with something fundamental wrong that we inherit from our parents that makes all of us sin (II Chronicles 6:36).  Quibbling over birth or youth misses the principal point.  Both the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament tell us that we need to be changed because we are contaminated with sin.  Noah, David and others received this change of being made righteous, but they did not do it without Jesus.  Jesus did not begin in his birth in Bethlehem.  Micah 5:1 Tells us: "And you, Bethlehem Ephrathah-you should have been the lowest of the clans of Judah-from you [he] shall emerge for Me, to be a ruler over Israel; and his origin is from of old, from days of yore."  This is the one who became known as Jesus, the ruler who was future, yet old in Micah's day  He was there all the time, and getting righteous without Jesus has never been an option for the sons of Adam.

Wilby, responding to your post #394:

Although you say you are responding to my post #392, you actually did not address any of it.  Please answer:

You now agree we are born sinners.  But you contradict yourself.

How is born not birth?  And how is a sinful nature not sin?

You need not post all.  Post one or two.

wilby~



Yeah, and He did just that. All of us are those stones He raised up.




Torah is Torah, and following the letter of Torah never saved anyone. Faith in God's word/promise/faithfulness is what has ALWAYS been the determining factor. FAITH is the "key"; always was, is now, and always will be. No one is righteous in their works, no one.

SMR and yetzirah~
"True, I was born guilty, was a sinner from the moment my mother conceived me." David in Psalm 51:5a CJB

We are not born with an intimate relationship with G-d.
At birth you are not spiritually renewed to G-d in this fallen world.
You are born in separation to G-d's voice.

The concept of being born in sin is confessing that even if you had every intent to carry out good - you will not be able to... why? because sin has power over your flesh... it is human nature that by definition is sinful and you are a part of. ONLY G-D IS GOOD!

Even after Paul's new birth he said... Rom 7:18 NIV  I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. [Or my flesh] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out.

Or are you of the opinion that Paul walked in the resurrection power all the time (perfect obedience)? Are you a ghost? I believe Paul did very we but even he fell short for it is a constant battle until the day we see our L-rd and our complete Salvation.

If Paul as a born again Apostle spoke out against perfect obedience and missing the mark would not this have a common thread to all humanity until Christ returns? Why such a problem with the concept?

Mat 21:15-16 NIV  But when the chief priests and the teachers of the law saw the wonderful things he did and the children shouting in the temple area, Hosanna to the Son of David, they were indignant.  (16)  Do you hear what these children are saying? they asked him. Yes, replied Jesus, have you never read, `From the lips of children and infants you have ordained praise’? [Psalm 8:2]

Now verse 15 calls them children... but the Psalm and verse 16 in Matthew calls them infants... maybe the meaning here is the new birth... which is made up of adults and children?

Joh 3:7 NIV  You should not be surprised at my saying, `You [The Greek is plural.] must be born again.’

Job 25:4-6 NIV  How then can a man be righteous before God? How can one born of woman be pure?  (5)  If even the moon is not bright and the stars are not pure in his eyes,  (6)  how much less man, who is but a maggot a son of man, who is only a worm!

Psa 51:3-5 NIV For I know my transgressions, and my sin is always before me.  (4)  Against you, you only, have I sinned and done what is evil in your sight, so that you are proved right when you speak and justified when you judge.  (5)  Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.

And now in the fullness of time by and through faith in the saving work of Yeshua HaMashiach we can be given a brand new nature and declared right standing before G-d; clothed in His righteousness - Who took our judgment on the cross.

Notice that Job 25:4 is a question and not a statement; for with G-d maybe this is possible? Messiah was the Holy child that did not have a physical father (virgin birth) with the full blessing of His Father.

Mat 19:25-26 NIV  When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, Who then can be saved?  (26)  Jesus looked at them and said, With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.


Blessed be my G-d and Savior Yeshua HaMashiach

BAPTISM is the N.T. way to salvation.

Jesus does NOT believe in rituals!!

Jesus was baptized--WHY? To fullfill ALL righteousness--which means He was doing what was right and just.

In Acts 2:38 It says to be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sin and you will receive the Holy Ghost.

I have said before that baptism does many things for us and one of the things is it puts us into a sonship relationship with the Father.

LOOK what happened when Jesus was baptized:
When He came out of the water the Holy Ghost fell upon Him and THEN the Father acknowledge Jesus and said, 'This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.'

Jesus's baptism Sounds very simular to Acts 2:38

Matthew 3
15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Jesus did not get the Holy Ghost and acknowledgement from the Father for just believing! HE fullfilled All righteousness and it pleased the Father!

Do you want to please the Father? Or your pastors/priests and church?

He fullfilled ALL righteousness!! YOU MUST do the same!

Jesus said to follow Him--do what I do--I am the good shepard and His true sheep will follow Him.

Not because it is a ritual but because it is a commandment to us.

Go into ALL nations and baptize!! WHY? BECAUSE Christ Jesus wants all  people to enter into His Kingdom by being born of the water and the spirit.

Baptism is not works -- Jesus called it fulfilling ALL righteousness.

STOP following RELIGION and follow Christ in 'The Faith' in the doctrine of salvation.

Jesus said, "It becometh us to fulfil all righteousness!" then He was baptized.