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Anything not of faith is sin according to scripture. I don't suspect anyone participating in this forum (Why I believe in Y'shua ), believes they developed the right kind of faith, until they came to know Y'shua,
and the God kind of faith that He had. Even though we fall short at times
the incorruptible word of God remains in our heart, and the blood of Y'shua Ha Mashiach cleanses us from all sin.

Depending on your point of view, taking God at His word, we are His righteousness and He is our righteousness. Trusting in our own point of view (included in our own righteousness) which the law makes us capable of doing, we all become unrighteous.

Knowing it is impossible to please God without faith, where else can we go, or how shall we escape if we neglect so great (wonderful blessing)
of salvation found only in trusting Christ?*

Point* (If you are not living as Christ asked, you are not trusting Him.)

By grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God and that not of works, lest any man should boast.

Interpretation of the above scripture.

"By the love and kindness of our Lord and saviour He made away for us to be saved. If we have enough faith in Him to follow Him through death burial and resurrection we shall be saved. Salvation is a gift from God, He did all the work so there is no boasting from man, all we need to do is to follow Him."

Follow Him where/how? In the regeneration/baptism--rebirth.

Jesus was baptized to fulfill Righteousness and we also need to be baptized to fulfill righteousness.

Righteous means--doing what is right and just.

Baptism is NOT works or a ritual--it is called fulfilling righteousness.

Jesus did all the work--ALL He is asking us to do is to follow Him and live a righteous life according to His commandments.

Receive His name at Baptism -- then be filled with the Holy Ghost.

You will be called a son.
You will be a joint heir with Christ
Your name will be written in the book of life
You are in a royal priesthood
You are a member of His body
You are the Church
You are a new creation in Christ

Follow Christ Jesus in the regeneration by being baptized into His name receiving the quickening gift from the Father.

Fulfill ALL righteousness as Christ Jesus did. He lead the way--follow the Good Shepard--He will not lead us astray.

He is calling you--hear His voice--follow me, follow me.

First off wilby to use Jesus baptism as storyline to support your view then you will have to admit Jesus was with sin in Him.


Jesus baptism was not to save him or free himself from sin Because he never had any.



Jesus baptism was to pre-pare His way to his ministry It was to kick it off and that what it means by all righteousness



second of all there a clear scripture that says that one is saved when they Believe with their heart.


Romans 10:9 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)

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9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.


Answer this question wilby was the person saved When He Believe with his heart before baptism or after when he was able to be baptism after believe with His heart?

also willby baptism is a ritual it seems you not well education on the old testament dead sea scrolls and other  jewish sects.


many jewish sects dating hundred of years before Jesus had practice baptism.

BAPTISM is the N.T. way to salvation.

Jesus does NOT believe in rituals!!

Jesus was baptized--WHY? To fullfill ALL righteousness--which means He was doing what was right and just.

This is scriptural !!

Baptism is scriptural and it is also known as regeneration.

A righteous man can be baptized --just like baby's are righteous--but they both need to be reborn into Christ Jesus.

willby when are you going to deal with jesus baptism in it context of his ministry?


His baptisms was not a sign that baptism cleans sins off us as peter said Not By removing The flith of the flesh.


The fllith is SIN water baptism Can not remove it but GOD ALONE and The waters reflect on what GOD DID ALONE.




willby Will you answer my question are the last posted or not?

As you know Sugarman, I am clearly tired of your repeated comments and your inability to accept new truth as it comes your way.

BUT, I will answer this question.

1 Peter
21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

You have to keep things in context and YOU have been told about this scripture before yet you refuse to listen and this my friend is what irritates me about you.

The like figure refers to Noah being saved by water and how baptism by water saves us now.

Filth of the flesh is just dirt--baptism does more than this.

Having a good conscience toward God is to be sinless and right with God.

Removing sin (the curse) is ONLY possible because Jesus was resurrected.

Follow Jesus through death burial and resurrection----FOLLOW ME ! He said !

Anyone can say they believe in a cause and not really participate in the cause.

I believe it is good to feed the poor --yet I don't feed the poor. Therefore do I really believe it is good and right to feed the poor if I don't do it myself?

If you believe in something that is right and just then you will do it and that includes baptism. Or else you are just sounding brass and tinkling symbols.

If you are in a boat and the captain says that if you where a life jacket you will be saved----How many here believe that if you ware a life jacket you will be saved----everyone puts up their hands. BUT ONLY 10 out of 30 actually put the life jacket on---How many are saved when the boat sinks? All the believers in waring a life jacket or just the ones that actually put the life jacket on?

Just believing is NOT enough---believe and do.

Believe and be baptized in Jesus name and you shall be saved.

Jesus was NOT a sinner nor was He born with the curse YET He still called being baptized the fulfilment of righteousness and the Holy Ghost feel upon Him.

He was conceived of the Holy Ghost but this is not the same as the Holy Ghost being upon Him. Yes it was the start of His ministry BUT Jesus insisted that John baptize Him so He could fulfill ALL righteousness.

Baptism is part of righteousness that we must do to be saved but there are other things as well.

Believe and do----or you are just a hypocrite.

Why don't we rename this thread to "Saved according to Wilby the Apostle"?

Also when is the Gospel of Wilby coming out?

sorry but this thread needed some humour...

Baptism,

Jewish custom. Crucifixion, Roman custom.

Wilby,

Are you saying a person in a bombing run over Hanoi who decides to give his life to Christ needs to be baptized before He is shot down by an enemy fighter?

Are you saying that the seaman in the magazine of a cruiser in the straights of Hormuz, accepting the Lord as Saviour needs to be baptized
before his ship is attacked by a rogue terrorist hellfire missile?

Are you saying that the Athiest that went before the Lord in sincerity and truth, in a foxhole in France on the maginaw line in WW2, to recieve Jesus as Saviour needs to be baptized before he is hit by an 88 shell?

As you know Sugarman, I am clearly tired of your repeated comments and your inability to accept new truth as it comes your way.



sorry I do not accpey your new truth when in fact you are not capable to deal with baptism in it greek contexts