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The like figure refers to Noah being saved by water and how baptism by water saves us now.


I already given you a site with it greek context on this willby but as you said you refuse to study anything that oppose you.



Filth of the flesh is just dirt--baptism does more than this.

Having a good conscience toward God is to be sinless and right with God.

Removing sin (the curse) is ONLY possible because Jesus was resurrected.

Follow Jesus through death burial and resurrection----FOLLOW ME ! He said !

Anyone can say they believe in a cause and not really participate in the cause.


willby now your twisting baptism by saving dirt your making baptism into a bath which it is not.   The flith of the flesh is SIN period there are many verses that uses flesh to refer to sin.


God alone is what causes The cause at Belief romans 10:9-10 it by the belief. of the heart one is saved.    

I believe it is good to feed the poor --yet I don't feed the poor. Therefore do I really believe it is good and right to feed the poor if I don't do it myself?

If you believe in something that is right and just then you will do it and that includes baptism. Or else you are just sounding brass and tinkling symbols.


willby again This is a mute point.   First If we believe something then I would think we should put our belief into action and This is what baptism is.


The action is not that it saves but The actions your showing your a follower of Jesus Christ.  water baptism reflects your belief at conversion.

If you are in a boat and the captain says that if you where a life jacket you will be saved----How many here believe that if you ware a life jacket you will be saved----everyone puts up their hands. BUT ONLY 10 out of 30 actually put the life jacket on---How many are saved when the boat sinks? All the believers in waring a life jacket or just the ones that actually put the life jacket on?



sorry willby This little analogy does not work.


again you seem to miss The point and want to be baptism in a verb form which it is not its noun.

also Anyone who was in the water without being in the ark were not saved but damned for there un-belief in the gospel in there day.

Just believing is NOT enough---believe and do.

Believe and be baptized in Jesus name and you shall be saved.

Jesus was NOT a sinner nor was He born with the curse YET He still called being baptized the fulfilment of righteousness and the Holy Ghost feel upon Him.

He was conceived of the Holy Ghost but this is not the same as the Holy Ghost being upon Him. Yes it was the start of His ministry BUT Jesus insisted that John baptize Him so He could fulfill ALL righteousness.

Baptism is part of righteousness that we must do to be saved but there are other things as well.

Believe and do----or you are just a hypocrite.





The holy ghost always was in Jesus and always even before baptism in-power him.



sorry willby Your view is base on false understanding by Jesus baptism.


it was not a sign that we need to to be saved when infact many scriptures dis-prove this point.

He was starting His ministry that what he means by all righteous. The baptism was put of the misntry to show that He was obeying accepting his

role under The Authority of his father.



Baptism is part of righteousness that we must do to be saved but there are other things as well.

Believe and do----or you are just a hypocrite.


The only hypocrite is you you say your a christian but yet  go against what the scriptures say very clear and yet you go against The Context of scripture in it language it was written In.

As you know Sugarman, I am clearly tired of your repeated comments and your inability to accept new truth as it comes your way.


For the point I can quote you many times also you saying the same thing.


and you still did not answer my question.


is one saved after baptism even due he believe with his heart before baptism?


and according to romans 10:9-10 does not when one believe with there heart they are saved? Or do you put a timer on Him and say well you need baptism Now believe with you heart is not enouch?





Baptism is part of righteousness that we must do to be saved but there are other things as well.


Ahh The true side of you is coming out more clear you base salvation on what we DO.


I guess you believe a sinner who does not have christ or the holy spirit can DO something for salvation. hmmmmmmm



I guess you do not believe that God alone can draw one to salvation

Wilby, please see my post #405.

I am still waiting for your answer.  You have made a claim, but you have not substantiated your claim.  Please answer, and in particular the question I posed which I enlarge here:

You are talking about death bed salvations.

Can you live your life in unbelief and reject truth and expect salvation as you see your life comming to an abrupt end?

You are talking about people that had some kind of belief in God but not enough belief to accept Christ when their first heard of His salvation for mankind.

Most people that know of God/Jesus have had some foreknowledge of Him sometime in their life and rejected God or Jesus or just put it aside.

I believe that there is a turning point in many peoples lives where they do have a choice---like a fork in the road long before death stairs them down.

Many mockers and atheist will make a quick about turn when death comes quickly but God wants us now.

What did God say to the deciples when they went to a home to teach about Jesus and salvation and were rejected---He said to wipe the dust off your feet when you leave that home.

Not everyone will receive salvation this is a known fact.

Hi Wilby,

Can you live your life in unbelief and reject truth and expect salvation as you see your life comming to an abrupt end?

Good question. Paul was converted rather quickly, is the answer that comes to mind. He knew 0 of Y'shua, yet recieved it by revelation.

(IT) = salvation.

Paul already knew and believed in God and was well versed in scripture. He was caught up With the controlling JEWS of His day and believed their doctrine that Jesus was a fraud and was against the O.T. law.

Jesus did reveal Himself to Paul very abruptly and Paul ACCEPTED truth when it came his way.

Paul was also predestinated before the foundations of the world was laid.

Don't forget about predestination, the elect and the chosen.

There is a lot going on on this planet BUT one thing that is going on is that the elect are being tried by fire to test them and make them worthy of the heavenly calling--not the kingdom --but the heavenly high calling that Paul teaches--this is not for everyone.

In my Father's house are many mansions/levels.

Before you say anything---I do not feel worthy of this high calling/this level of salvation yet there are some that are worthy and ONLY God knows who they are.