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RE: The "sin unto death".....

1 John 5:16


Apostle Paul listed many sins that are worthy of death. BUT this is not THE SIN unto death.

Read Romans 5, Paul takes you from Adam's trangression that fell upon all flesh (this is the curse of death) --to Christ and how Christ made away for ALL mankind to receive life by following Him through death burial and resurrection whereby remiting the curse through regeneration.

Once the curse has been removed through baptism Jesus further made a way for us to remain right with Him as He knew we would make mistakes and feel guilty in our walk with Him.

This is accomplished through communion but communion has rules.

If you continually purposely sin and take communion unworthily you are drinking damnation unto yourself. AND this is why there are many weak and sickly in the church.(scriptural)

BUT, if you examine yourself before you take communion and truly repent and ask for forgiveness with a pure heart you will receive remission of your sin. (not for the Curse - this is removed once at baptism) this is for our daily short comings.

If you are in a situation that you have not fully removed yourself from DO NOT take communion until you have ended your sinning ways.

Therefore a believer that has been baptized into Jesus/Yesha has already applied the blood of the Lamb to their life--we do not enter into heaven to do this -- It is accomplished here during baptism.

1 Corinthians 10:16

Matthew 26:28

Hebrews 9:22

so paul was elected to be saved even due he was not baptism at that point of time when Jesus appeared?

RE: The "sin unto death".....

1 John 5:16


Apostle Paul listed many sins that are worthy of death. BUT this is not THE SIN unto death.

Read Romans 5, Paul takes you from Adam's trangression that fell upon all flesh (this is the curse of death) --to Christ and how Christ made away for ALL mankind to receive life by following Him through death burial and resurrection whereby remiting the curse through regeneration.

Once the curse has been removed through baptism Jesus further made a way for us to remain right with Him as He knew we would make mistakes and feel guilty in our walk with Him.


willby when are you going to deal with baptism in noun way?    You keep puting it in a verb like it what saves it self.


Please pick up a lexicon and look up baptism.     The person go into the death and resurrection when one believe with there heart.    Baptism being a noun not a verb shows resemble what The HOly spirit already done in the believer when he came to confession into Christ.



noun
1. a content word that can be used to refer to a person, place, thing, quality, or action

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/noun


verb [vəːb] noun
the word or phrase that gives the action, or asserts something, in a sentence, clause etc
Example: I saw him; He ran away from me; I have a feeling; What is this?


so we see The Noun refers to the action and The verb is what gives the action pretty simple.


The Noun is what in baptism refers to what The Holy spirit does once at believeing and The verb is The holy spirit who gives the action at believeing.

I do not ask how many times i ask you willby to keep baptism in it context.


When are you going to deal with it being a noun and not a verb like you want it to be?

Wilby, responding to your post #431:
This is where it comes from:
My logical conclusion is that we must ourselves apply the blood of Jesus Christ.  And my question naturally is, how does a hell-doomed sinner rise up to heaven to accomplish this? for that is where the blood is, in heaven.  Please advise.

Can you supply the scriptures to support this dogmatic statement that we are never completely saved until the end?  The ones you have supplied before I have already answered how you are not even following a basic understanding of simple English words.

As far as sin unto death, all sin is worthy of spiritual death and eventual physical death.  That is why Adam died, spiritually and physically.  God clothed Adam with the skins of the animal He slew.  Jesus said in John 3 that we as unbelievers already stand condemned, there is no if or maybe about it.  And Jesus said we are saved when we believe on the only begotten Son of God.  There is no waiting and wondering, unless we do not believe what Jesus said.

Show me in Romans 5 where Paul is referencing WATER baptism as the regenerating agent.

The elements of communion symbolize the body and blood of the Lord.  Show me where Paul says communion is how you obtain remission of sin.  Show me where Jesus says that by taking communion you obtain remission of sin.  Then show me where Jesus says to take it in remembrance of Him.

So, again, how do you personally apply the actual blood of Jesus which is in heaven today? How does a filthy sinner push past the gates of God's heaven and do this?  Again, how do you thrust aside the Holy Spirit, saying, I can and will apply the blood of Christ myself?

Acts 2

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.

40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

They heard the word--Peter said save yourselves--they were baptized--3000 souls were added to the church--HOW? by baptism into Jesus name is what saved them.

Did the people say--excuss me Peter is that a noun or a verb because if it a verb Peter then forget it but if it is a noun then we are with you.

How riduculas does this sound Sugarman---stop repeating your ungodly (greek) statements.

Ungodly wow your calling The language of the bible ungodly!


willby look into The context of acts 2:38


v. 38) Peter replied, 'Repent [plural] (and let each one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, [singular = after being forgiven and Holy Spirit received],) for the forgiveness of your sins [plural]. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit [plural].'


willby peter did not have to explain The language to the people or there meanings of what they mean in greek they already knew hince greek was a very common language in greece.


It clear willby you deny The greek wording you toss aside greek lexicons etc.... to follow your manmade false gospel.


Guest what willby you know what i do when I read the bible?



I get my bible and when I do not understand what a word means I look into Mine greek lexicon.



sense you are against The language and there meanings that God had them written in it clear you do not want to even open your eyes.


Your like a person who does not want to look back because your afraid your wrong.

willby If you want to see and understand a word in it context then you must keep it in what it means in its language

Anyone saved yet? Hahaha, just being sarcastic.

Faith: Hopefully you.

Haha... And I'm not being sarcastic.

Here's the Prayer of Salvation Primogenit.

http://the-prayer-of-salvation.blogspot.com/