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BIG BIG LIE!

The Apsotle Paul or any of the deciples taught salvation by a prayer in fact they do talk about a sin that you can not pray for!!! Something else must be done to remove it.

Anja is LOST in a false religion STILL and she is leading people to destruction.

No matter how I spell out salvation according to scriptures religious people are lost and brainwashed to death.

Baptism in the name of Jesus remits the curse and we are raised in newness of life Just as the scriptures say. Romans 6 / Acts 2:38

Your accountable Anja as are the rest of you.

I read your article and it is very good. Some things I would like to discuss with you are:

The reason for Baptism
-- to remit a sin/curse that we are born with --you don't mention this
-- receiving the Holy Ghost is a gift and when we are raise out of the water Paul says that we are made to drink the spirit
--and much much more
Faith comes in the form of having faith in salvation--baptism is not a show of faith--baptism is following a commandment that leads to salvation --then we have faith in Him that are salvation will save us and we trust Him that all  that He said will be fulfilled in us.

As far as speaking in tongues
--we all receive a different messure and different gifts, some will have to grow in the Lords knowledge and speaking in tongues may or may not come to some--all it says is that speaking in tongues is evidence of the spirit but not mandatory. Paul said other gifts are more important than speaking in tongues and he encourage less speaking in tongues at church as it is more of a private matter. In support, Paul does hope that all will speak in tongues--just give it some time.

Peoples personalities can restrict the spirit in many ways -- yet others can be slain in the spirit and lie flat on the floor praising Him--different strokes for different folks.

I ask you to lighten up a bit on speaking in tongues as it may come later in a person walk--it does not mean they are still born or have not received the Holy Ghost remember Paul says we are made to drink so we all do receive the Holy Ghost at our baptism.
Romans 6

You are doing a good work for Christ but don't let this restrict your progress. Leave some things up to HIM, the Holy Ghost to work out.

Talk soon,
Wilby, your brother in Christ

P.S. It is great to hear someone else talk the truth about salvation--on this forum it is one attack after another and it wears me down.

Why don't you dicuss them on his forum?

sorry but willby the one who is brainwash is you.

1. you did not answer my question on peter 3;21 I may posted that question either on this thread or the holy spirit one.

I ask what does peter mean not be removing the filth of the flesh? I then ask if your say dirt as in literal dirt if you would fall outside how would that fit with his words not be removing?

Your ablilty to answer these questions really shows you do not even  study  outside your teachers and You yourself made it clear you do not care about others say on salvation.

This shows your not open minded and not willing to test the spirits as  scripture says. You should test these spirits that you listen to really.


You follow your teaches deceptions so far that  you can not even comprehend logic and simple word meanings.

Wilby is a Sabellinist who is out of the church and a law onto himself. Sabellists like to place doubt and divide our bonds in love, profess to be Aposltes and is the reasons they are always individuals that can never win a following due to their own arrogance even in their own little fold. Forums like this that permit freedom of speech are their only audience as no one wants to visit their forums once they discern their message and fruit. I do not know one revival that Sabellianism caused for the glory of G-d and His Mashiach. Not one! No historical influence.

Sabellianism is one step better than the heretical Ariansim (Jehovah's Wintess) in that they acknowledge Yeshua as G-d. Also known as “Modalism” or “Modalistic Monarchianism” which has many doctrinal problems. Sabellianism teaches that there is only one personality, and not three, but this one personality would reveal Himself in three different ways.

Wilby you are not totally blind for you acknowledge Yeshua but I do not want the fruit of your movement and the many errors that come out due to the fact you do not recognize the Trinity from the very beginning even in Genesis chapter one... uncertainty of Salvation and the lack of power of G-dly authority to impact the nations is your rebellious lot.

Your revelation is nothing new and your movement did not bless the nations nor Isra'el but it was and is and will be the core Christian movement that acknowledge ADONAI the Father, ADONAI the Son and ADONAI the Holy Spirit that is the most influential faithful brother of Isra'el TODAY!

Wilby, the "attacks" on your false salvation wear you down because you are trying to assume the burden of salvation by undertaking certain actions such as water baptism and communion.  Neither can save.  Jesus said, Come unto Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will rest you ... you shall find rest unto your souls.

The burden is Christ's; we have salvation by grace through faith, not of works, lest any man should boast.

Our heavenly Father will feed you through his spirit of truth,(1Yoch 2;27)

Not religion men will feed his children .
Would you let your children get food from a stranger ?

Our Father wants to feed his children,every time we let him do so... we have fellow ship with him through holys spirit .
This is how Gods children come togetter in his body who are guided by his spirit who takes over your live and your thoughts.

Like Paul said in 1 Tim 3:14-16

   14 I am writing these things to you now, even though I hope to be with you soon, 15 so that if I am delayed, you will know how people must conduct themselves in the household of God. This is the church of the living God, which is the pillar and foundation of the truth.

   16 Without question, this is the great mystery of our faith:

   Christ was revealed in a human body
      and vindicated by the Spirit.
   He was seen by angels
      and announced to the nations.
   He was believed in throughout the world
      and taken to heaven in glory.


A lot of church leaders reffer the church described in verse 15 as a real church or congegration of believers. However I see it that the Body of Christ is the church, something you can live in and be part of by studying the bible and pray, not bound by a specific place or building. Paul even descibes this in the verse that follows that this is the great mystery of our faith.
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BIG BIG LIE!

The Apsotle Paul or any of the deciples taught salvation by a prayer in fact they do talk about a sin that you can not pray for!!! Something else must be done to remove it.

Anja is LOST in a false religion STILL and she is leading people to destruction.

No matter how I spell out salvation according to scriptures religious people are lost and brainwashed to death.

Baptism in the name of Jesus remits the curse and we are raised in newness of life Just as the scriptures say. Romans 6 / Acts 2:38

Your accountable Anja as are the rest of you.

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anja says : Wilby dear brother,your words do not hurt me at all
I understand why you say "it is a big lie" ,because you your self are still bound by religion
Religion are leading their followers to destruction not I .

You say :Your accountable Anja as are the rest of you.
Anja says : Wilby ,not I am acccountable .
God will hold all  accountable yes every one of us on his judge ment day.
But first....
He will free his children and they will come out of the world religion(babylon) yes all who are imprisoned by religion leaders.
God will free all his sheep one by one and they will come out and go to him.
And they will come out all who love God more then their religion leaders .
Ezech 34:13-23,24

Dear wilby
You say : P.S. It is great to hear someone else talk the truth about salvation--on this forum it is one attack after another and it wears me down.

Dear brother it is you who attack others behind their back by sending personal emails to every one ,trying to turn gods children on this forum against each other.
You even say some post mess up YOUR LINES
Well Wilby this is not your forum alone ,sory
but we all have a place here to say what holy spirit wants us to say .


I am glad we have a great moderator who watch this forum the best ever .
Thanks Jans !

The moderator protect our freedom to say what is on our heart
and this will give us here a nice place with much space for the Holy spirit to help Christ grow in all of us  

Wow...
So much was Just said.... So much that I should respond too....

All I can say is this.... YESHUAH is LORD!
He LOVES all of you folks more DEEPLY then the distance between galaxies...

Yeshuah set the example of what True love is!
So, as Yeshuah loves us, even so, we should ALL strive to love one another, even Favoring one another as above our own selves!

The truth of all this is YESHUAH is the one we unanimously LOVE, for He alone is God!
As such, we should go ahead in our efforts to speak what we KNOW is the truth of salvation. But we should do so IN LOVE! Trusting that Yeshuah is far more gracious then humanly imaginable! Knowing that He alone will do the deciding and all the doctrinal correction when we see Him face to face!

I Know that repentance, Baptism in Yeshuah's name alone, and the baptism of the Spirit is the only way to become truly "Born Again" of water and the Spirit. You fellows that say "salvation begins and ends at repentance" may wish to call me and others like me, "legalists"...  Hey, that's fine with me...

And I may very well be a "legalists"! For, truly, I Hope to Hashem that I am in error, That the way is not so narrow, for that way FAR more folks will make it to heaven then my understanding of scripture says they will! I am ALL FOR THAT! Because my deepest prayer is that Satan should not have even ONE!

But even my "repentance only" brethren will admit fully, that I am saved, and completely redeemed! And those like me, the same.
Sure, I maybe “too stark”, "too hard" in my apostolic definitions of what "Salvation” means.

But, I would rather lean in the direction of "Making Too sure a sinner is saved" then facing the terrible possibly that I didn't do enough to help the lost...

Either way, I love you Guys!
I claim by faith, that If I am used well, that my first goal is that you all be found far more than worthy then myself to inherit the Kingdom!

No amount of time, no amount of expense, no amount of effort can keep me from insisting that everyone here, hears the Best God has given me to offer them! And, I fully plan to continue to love you with a ferocious Love no matter what you say! Bringing you the very BEST, purest, understanding of the Truth I know in Yeshuah ha Mashiach!

Therefore, I will endlessly strive to tell you the TRUTH of salvation, found in John 3:16 only thru obedience to Acts 2:38, to the fullest extent of all my God given strength, gifts, knowledge and anointing.

Why?  Because I love you all above me, and deem you far more than "worth it"!

Glory to Hashem!
WoooHooo!
For Yeshuah is Worthy!
HE alone is setting me free!

So.... once again!
Here is the BEST, super basic explanation of how to become fully Born Again that I have ever known:

http://justgivemetruth.com/viewtopic.php?t=13