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Absolutly,
The water you speak of is the Baptism of the Spirit...
The oil in the lamps is the Baptism of the Spirit.
To be "born of Spirit" is to recieve the Baptism of the Spirit.

To be born of Water is to be baptized in Yeshuah's name...
The circumcision of Christ is to be buried with Christ thru Baptism in HIS name...

It all fits together perfectly, Seeing it is just a matter of pressing thru our precocieved notions and Pressing into Jesus for the answers:
this string fits it together in more detail: http://forums.jewsforjesus.org/showthread.php?tid=3152

We who Believe must all become, "born of Spirit" which is to recieve the Baptism of the Spirit and be "born of Water" which is to be baptized in Yeshuah's name...This is how we become Complete in Yeshuah... even as the scripture you just quoted clearly states...

Colossians 2:10-12
And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: 11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:  (which is to be) 12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

And this is the message to the church in our generation...
"Come! be complete! by taking GOD'S (Yeshuah's) name upon you in baptism and thru Spirit filled rightiousness because judgment will soon begin in God's house! Get ready, Get right, for the final great awakening is coming."

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Brother Prowler,
What did Paul preach about what baptism when "soul's where on the line"... AND, what did God show them about what "receiving the Spirit" is like when they where baptized in Yechuah's Name?

And which of our two doctrines, on this matter, best reflect PAUL's doctrine and therfore the Original Gospel that Paul preached?

It is Written:
Acts 19:1-6
1 And it happened, while Apollos was at Corinth, that Paul, having passed through the upper regions, came to Ephesus. And finding some disciples 2 he said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" So they said to him, "We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit." 3 And he said to them, "Into what then were you baptized?" So they said, "Into John's baptism." 4 Then Paul said, "John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus." 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied.

The truth of the matter is just as simple and Biblically clear as that...
Just do what the apostils DID, not what you wish they should have done...

WHEW!! Thank Goodness! I don't want to be ruptured!

-just poking a little fun-

I totally knew what you meant to type.

Ha ha ha
your killing me...he he he

It feels so good to hear truth about salvation!! Keep it up, I just love hearing and reading someone else write about it---very refreshing to my soul as I was getting quite angry there for a while.

Sometimes the preacher needs break and to sit back and drink His good word.

Please keep it up Steadfast--I have been alone on this board and for the record this is my first and only board I have ever posted on ---only a little bit on YouTube.

One baptism which includes the Holy Ghost per ALL the deciples and Paul. Jesus called being baptized fulfilling righteousness---people on this form call it works---BIG difference-----JESUS SAID--commanded baptism why? because it is right-eous.
Paul explains why we are baptized and what take place in Romans 6.
Baptism sends your sins before to judgement where other mens sins follow them to judgement. The price of sin is death and that is why Paul teaches about being dead to sins our old man MUST die--read about it it is all there for all to see. I did not make it up so open your eyes and read it--Paul did not receive it of man but from Christ.

The Doctrine of Christ -- featuring the gospel of salvation

I LOVE hearing truth!!

Apostle Paul

I have said many times that when Paul is writing to a church all of them have been baptized into Jesus---therefore if you have not been baptized into Jesus for remision of sins then he is not talking to you.

1 Corinthians 1

1 Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,

2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth

13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

Here he is talking to the church at Corinth of which he declares that ALL are baptized into Jesus.

So when you read scriptures that says we are saved by grace don't apply them to yourself if you are not baptized into Jesus and filled with the Holy Ghost.

I can truely say that I am saved by grace --God's kindness and love for sending His Son to be a sacrifice for sin thereby making away for me to be redeemed back to the Father.

Not of my works but of His works --all we have to do is to follow Him through the process of death, burial and resurrection. Romans 6

Baptism into Jesus --we are planted into His death and we are raised into His likeness by the filling(quickening) of the Holy Ghost.

Water and Spirit --born again -- regeneration -- new creatures in Christ

Think about it folks. ALL the original churches were baptized into Jesus --- are YOU?

You can not believe yourself into being anything but what you already are. If you believe in the Doctrine of Christ and the Gospel of Salvation then you will get baptized into Jesus and receive the Holy Ghost.

If you don't believe then you won't follow this doctrine of Christ.

Remember !!! Religion has made a mess of true salvation but we can set things right again---BREAK away from the lies.

The baptism of the Spirit is that circumcision made without hands.  That means, you don't do a thing.  The water is the Word of God.  To be born of water means faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.  Here is the Trinity in view:  The Father sent the Word, and the Spirit breathed the Word.

I am familiar with water baptism/oneness beliefs, and they remain unconvincing, because they deny the Father and the Son.

Again, you and Wilby really need to first explain how a sinner applies the blood of Jesus which Wilby correctly understands is in heaven.  If a sinner can do that, you must explain how the dead-to-God sinner's will, in connection with the natural element of water, accomplishes this.

No, that's not the message.  It really is, "the Spirit and the bride say, Come."  Believing on Jesus really does save.  The rest of your statements could be categorized as frothy heresy.

Reflect is not a strong enough word; it must be preached, and you are not preaching it.  Galatians 1:7-9

Acts 19:1-6 - [...]  4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him [Jesus] which should come after him [John], that is, on Christ Jesus.  [...]

This passage doesn't go your way.  Paul rightly saw something missing, and being honest folks, they frankly confessed they knew only of John's baptism.  They believed on Jesus, then publicly identified with Him in water baptism, and at Paul's laying on of his hands, the Holy Spirit came on them causing them to speak with tongues and to prophesy.  The Holy Spirit did this here to show that believing on Jesus is having the Holy Spirit, not water baptism, either John's or in Jesus' name.  If John's baptism unto repentence pending believing on that One who would come after him was not salvation in itself, how then is a ritual become salvation?  Water baptism is for public identification.  It is very important, but it is not how sinners are saved.

All you have to do to persuade me, Wilby, is explain exactly how a dead-to-God sinner applies the blood of Christ (which you correctly understand is in heaven) through the ritual of water baptism, and how the natural element of water serves to save.  And to really nail it, answer my post #101 in the What Is The Holy Spirit? thread.

COMMUNION as commanded by Jesus --results in eternal life

John 6
52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?

53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Ephesians 2
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Paul talking to the Gentiles telling them that through baptism into Jesus brings them closer to the Jews and the God of Israel. Actually it puts them into the new covenant.
HOW? by the blood of Christ Jesus --did they go to heaven? no--baptism touches the cross and His shed blood. Jesus said to follow Him and in Romans 6 Paul clearly tells us what happens when we are baptized.

1John 1
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

Many religions say they have fellowship with Christ but walk in darkness! In other words many people claim they believe in Jesus and are saved but they are NOT as they do NOT the truth.
SO is BELIEVING enough for salvation--absolutely NOT

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Therefore if we walk in the truth and get baptized into Jesus His blood will cleanse us as baptism touches the cross and His shed blood.

Baptism and Communion remits sin by the blood of Christ Jesus.

I will NOT debate this in anyway--I don't expect you or many to believe the Doctrine of Christ as only the Father can open your eyes to the truth.

Without the shedding of His blood there is no remission of sins. All we have to do is learn how to apply His blood to our life. Hence the Gospel of Salvation as Paul teaches --by baptism into Jesus. Roman 6


I will not waste time with you or some others until you acknowledge salvation as taught by Paul and many many others in the original Church of Christ.

I understand that you guys have your special calling but Christ did not send me to baptise, but to preach the gospel not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power. (1Co 1:17) 

Some of you were partially cleaned up by water baptism... but I was saved by Christ and now I proclaim the Kingdom of His Salvation!

I believed the gospel and was baptized; while you two got baptised in unbelief.

My question is: did you believe when you heard the good news?

Praise G-d for His grace... for He allows for the ritualistic water baptism and anointing with oil which serves to help in our unbelief!

Jas 5:14 Is any one of you sick? He should call the elders of the church to pray over him and anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord.

According to James (above) and in line with your religious baptism theology one can not be healed and anointed by the Lord without physical oil! How foolish! Pharisees are never consistent! The enforcing of your private religious convictions places you on dangerous ground (Num 13).

Why must we repeat ourselves on here?
What is your agenda on here?
Who are you trying to get saved?
Is someone not baptised?

I was baptised willingly to identify with Him because I believed but you two were batpised out of addition, fear and unbelief!

I am so bored with you two... why don't you creep into houses and lead some silly women into your fold that are weighed down with all kind of evil and get them saved according to your doctrine and we will rejoice as we did when we heard of an arab receiving Christ in Israel. But on here you are wasting your time since we are all baptised and trust in and on Christ according to scripture and even your works and convictions.

2Ti 3:6   For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

Please stop persecuting believers on here and go and preach your gospel to the unsaved and I will rejoice with each soul you win to the L-rd.

It is written:

Romans 6:1-8
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. 8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

Repentance brings a death...
A death to sin, a death to our old man...
What do we do with a corpes... we Burry it!

How do we properly bury our OLD MAN of sin...
we bury it in Baptism... In Jesus' name...

Brothers and Sisters...the apostils got it right and THEY ALL baptized "in Yeshuah's name"... That was their doctrin hich was spoken and done as was clearly recorded in scripture...

Show me one place in scripture where anyone was ever recorded being baptized in the titles, and I will give you my house, my car and if it were possible my wife!
A safe beat, i know, because IT NEVER HAPPENED!!!