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As for giveing "the FATHER equal time in baptism?

Acts 4:10-12 ...again the apostils doctrin...
10 let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole. 11 This is the 'stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.' 12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."

1 John 2:22-23 ...the apostils doctrin...
22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

So, If you honor the son you honor the Father also...
If you have the son you have the Father also...
For they are the same, one Living GOD, whos one and only given name to mankind is "Yeshuah"...

How can anyone possibly claim that denying Yeshuah's name in Baptism is a good thing?

How can you claim that baptism is "A work"?
It was By grace alone that I had the faith to come to repentance!
Which is something I did when I responded to Grace.
It was by Grace alone that I had the faith to come baptism!
Which is something I did when I responded to Grace.
It was by Grace alone that I had the faith to surrender and be filled with the Spirit!
Which is something I did when I responded to Grace.

It was by the Grace of God alone that I had the faith to do these things!
These same things the APOSTILS also did that pleased God... Are their conversionary actions and doctrine merely "works"?

James 2:18
But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.

Baptistic Wrote:

All you have to do to persuade me, Wilby, is explain exactly how a dead-to-God sinner applies the blood of Christ (which you correctly understand is in heaven) through the ritual of water baptism, and how the natural element of water serves to save.
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For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that
He might bring us to G-D, being put to death in the flesh but made
alive by the Spirit, by whom also He went and preached to the spirits
in prison.
Who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering
waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was prepared, in which a
few, that is 8 souls were saved through water.

There is also an antitype which now saves us-baptism (not the
removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good
conscience toward G-D), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of G-D, angels
and authorites and powers having been made subject to Him.
[1st Peter 3:18-22]

This is public confession, showing the death, burial, and
resurrection and obedience to G-D.
  "If you confess your sins He is faithful and just to forgive you of
your sins and cleanse you from all unrighteousness."

"Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also
confess before My Father who is in heaven." [MATT 10:32]

"But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before
My Father who is in heaven." [MATT 10:33]

  SHALOM!
    Ray  

Colossians 2:10-12
And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: 11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:  (which is to be) 12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.


your making the same mistake as willby.


by adding which is to be is to change baptism from a likeness to something literal.


do your homework baptism is a noun not verb.


And this is the message to the church in our generation...
"Come! be complete! by taking GOD'S (Yeshuah's) name upon you in baptism and thru Spirit filled rightiousness because judgment will soon begin in God's house! Get ready, Get right, for the final great awakening is coming."


we are complete when we truly believe and repent.   The commands of God come after one is saved. A sinner can not keep God commands to come saved. The only way to keep God commands is for one to already to have the literal change by the spirit in there self.

steadfast said down below


It is Written:
Acts 19:1-6
1 And it happened, while Apollos was at Corinth, that Paul, having passed through the upper regions, came to Ephesus. And finding some disciples 2 he said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" So they said to him, "We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit." 3 And he said to them, "Into what then were you baptized?" So they said, "Into John's baptism." 4 Then Paul said, "John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus." 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied.

The truth of the matter is just as simple and Biblically clear as that...
Just do what the apostils DID, not what you wish they should have done...




steadfast this already been explain on this thread


http://forums.jewsforjesus.org/showthrea...69&page=15


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actually The  church from 100ad-300 hold back baptism until the new convert understood the scriptures and as again your changing the  text of scripture to your suiting to be what literal and not a likeness as scripture supports.

willby communion does not remit sin ONLY the literal dead and resurrection does not what resembles it.


When you learn the different s from likeness literalness etc.... give me a yell.

making repentance equal to baptism is not even biblical


If you were to study the scriptures The apostles always put repentance as a much before baptism.



Show me one place in scripture where anyone was ever recorded being baptized in the titles, and I will give you my house, my car and if it were possible my wife!
A safe beat, i know, because IT NEVER HAPPENED!!!


show me one verse where the bible says oneness ok?

How can anyone possibly claim that denying Yeshuah's name in Baptism is a good thing? Cry

How can you claim that baptism is "A work"?
It was By grace alone that I had the faith to come to repentance!
Which is something I did when I responded to Grace.
It was by Grace alone that I had the faith to come baptism!
Which is something I did when I responded to Grace.
It was by Grace alone that I had the faith to surrender and be filled with the Spirit!
Which is something I did when I responded to Grace.

It was by the Grace of God alone that I had the faith to do these things!
These same things the APOSTILS also did that pleased God... Are their conversionary actions and doctrine merely "works"?

James 2:18
But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.


1. The true baptism happens at believe and repenting The water baptism is the step a work that the believer show what already literal happen to them.

2.Repentance comes before baptism infact all the apotles made it clear Believe and repenting is a must before baptism. A clear reason why baptism resembles what someone does when they truly believe and repent.

3. it is by grace through faith Not grace through baptism.  It by believe and repenting coming truly into faith in him that saves.


4.  The grace of God is giving us a choice who to serve Him or satan.


If we pick Jesus and have true faith in Him the spirit will literal change us to do the bidding of God. baptism is a command for obeying not salvation. You can only obey after truly believe and repenting.


5. again by grace through faith you are saved.   Scripture clearly says we must Believe on Jesus this what saves.



6. One is filled when they truly believe and repent 1 eph 1:13 is it after the person believe they are filled.

God grace is by grace through faith. After we have true faith we are able to get baptism due to the literal change in us by our Belief and repentance.



ames 2:18
But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.


First this have more to deal with The behavior of a christian then anything else.


This verse is not saying works saves but our works testify to our salvation.

it not what saves us to eternal Life but is the fruit of it.

How can anyone possibly claim that denying Yeshuah's name in Baptism is a good thing? Cry


no one does.


Infact oneness deny The father and son.


Jesus spoke of his Father as being separate from Him.


Oneness teaches all 3 are Jesus.

Nothing about baptism being essential to one's salvation in these scriptures. Looks like faith and proclamation to me.