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RayBurghen posts #497, 498:

You also get one more chance to directly answer.  Remember the reading and comprehension tests in school?  Read carefully.  Thanks.

This does not answer the question.


First you said its a song well knowed in israel. Big clue he already heared the song before you.


I will rephrase the question.   did the lost understanding anything that not already well knowed in israel?

Also did everyone understand what you said in there own language?


Like one person would say I understand him in hebrew another greek anoth


also this


ALSO,
When I first received the Baptism of the Spirit I shouted in Hebrew for over an hour! For I recieved it as I came up out of the waters of baptism in Yeshuah's name, and a visiting Messianic Jew heard it and ran up the stairs to the baptistry "to meet the scholar" just to find a 20 year old boy "with a perfect Hebrew accent"!  He then translated it live...

And frankly, I could care less if you believe it or not... Because it is something sacred and private between me and God...



was the boy a believer?




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for my last reply until you reply it clear.


This song is already knowed to the jews and the only person who did not know it is you not the jews right?


This is not what I ask I ask can you speak in tongues where everyone from a different language can ALL understand what your saying in there own language.



Like if you were to pull like 10 people from different languages and only knows that language would they understand you?


You were singing a song in hebrew and there was a jew that mostly knew hebrew all his life.


What would make your case better if there were a few others in that picture that did not know hebrew and each from a different national only knowing there language and understanding it in there language.





Steadfast was there anyone else from a different language who did not know hebrew understood you in there own language?

sugar,  you are ridiculous...

You clearly cannot read...

I told you of something miracuous, real an sacred between me an Yeshuah and you can only mock it! I suspect You couldn't believe it even if you saw it and heard it with your own eyes and ears...

Your callous cluelessness to the living Biblical wonders of the Spirit makes it obvious that NO you have never spoken in tongues nor experienced anything supernatural from God...

For, There is no fear and awe of God in you...
Which tells me your walk with God is only in your HEAD...
Repent Sugar...

I will no longer play this silly game...

Steadfast~




I will not mock it, but I will question the source of it.

A miracle in and of itself is not evidence of the source of that miracle.

We are told to be very careful and discerning.

Steadfast, I am very skeptical of the source of your gift. Not of all gifts, just yours.

You preach "a different Jesus." And have "another gospel." No different than a Mormon. They use all the "right terms" too.

In the end times, we are told, that some will come along that "could fool even the elect, if possible".

Some of my brothers here have been very generous to you, and not proclaimed you a false teacher, but I will.

Since you preach a "different Jesus", and "another gospel", I am bold enough to say your gifts are not from God.

An angel of light can do miracles too. Including tongues, since he knows all the languages of the earth, and of angels, as well.

So, I leave you with this, my friend: "You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that-and shudder." James 2:19 NIV

Make very sure who it is that you have this "real and sacred" relationship with. "Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'" Matt. 7:22, 23

you simple can not answer my mine question.




I ask can you speak in tongues where ALL can understand you in there own language.


I will tru to give you example what tongues is.



This base on a true story that a man was teaching a sermon base on repentance etc... and a boy was crying. Someone ask why was the boy crying? The boy said I understood you perfect in my language even thou you were speaking yours.

my walk is not in my head.


God has done many great things for me and i do not care what you say it does not change the fact I have a true walk with my Lord and savior.


on another hand you hold unbiblical doctrines.



You base tongues is a must not base  on that what scripture teaches because I'm yet to see a oneness Pentecostal answer my challenge on one verse that says you must speak in tongues or One verse that says it is the evidence of the receiving the holy  spirit.



Your doctrine is not base on theology because it hold no water there but On Historical happenings.


The thing is I can quote other Historical  in scriptures where No tongues is mention.


Oneness says it a weak arugment to say because tongues is left out it not need for salvation but I can say oneness is weak because there no verse in theology to support them.



Oneness believe tongues is need base on Historical happenings even due there are other  Historical that mention people filled with the holy ghost going around to prophecy and teach God word but no mention of tongues.



Mine doctrine is base on more on Theology what the scriptures really teach more then relying on  Historical  happenings  

First, let's have a Reality Check.

This is the Internet.  You are at an internet forum.  To participate, you sign on with a name of your choosing.  It could be your real name, it could not.  You make statements as to your gender, location, age, and religious beliefs as you choose to do so.  It could all be true, partly true, or not at all true.  Any pictures you post may or may not have been taken of you or by you.  This picture of two men against a wall may or may not be one of you.  It certainly does not show either face, so it cannot be identified by anyone other than yourself as to whether it truly is you.  You could have a lawyer draft up an affidavit to the effect it is you, which you could sign and have notarized, but only a very bored lawyer with no game would soil his rep by doing so, because another equally bored lawyer with no game could point out how lame that was.

So don't be surprised or hurt when, by reason of your false claims about baptism and a propensity on your part to call names here, someone actually challenges you to the point where you simply have to rely on scripture than on experience.  Frankly, you can claim any experience on the internet, and you likewise cannot prove a thing.  We are on the honor system concerning any personal stories we post, and if your story does not ring true, you still aren't king, you must answer with better material, and that would be scripture.  Faceless pictures are the last thing I would post to say, "this is me!"; likewise claims of experiences cannot be offered as proof of doctrine or theology esp. when they conflict with scripture.

What change?... we believe and are all baptised here and we batise others but yes its not according to your religious legalism! I think you guys should go on the street dragging a bath tab behind you just to be sure your effective.

Curiously, they both (Wilby and Steadfast) have their own websites/forums...yet they choose to continue here.

It's ok, we can continue to refute them so no one is lead astray with our compliance or silence.