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Steadfast Wrote:

Ripley's Wrote:

Steadfast~

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I told you of something miracuous, real an sacred between me an Yeshuah and you can only mock it!


I will not mock it, but I will question the source of it.

A miracle in and of itself is not evidence of the source of that miracle.

We are told to be very careful and discerning.

Steadfast, I am very skeptical of the source of your gift. Not of all gifts, just yours.

You preach "a different Jesus." And have "another gospel." No different than a Mormon. They use all the "right terms" too.

In the end times, we are told, that some will come along that "could fool even the elect, if possible".

Some of my brothers here have been very generous to you, and not proclaimed you a false teacher, but I will.

Since you preach a "different Jesus", and "another gospel", I am bold enough to say your gifts are not from God.

An angel of light can do miracles too. Including tongues, since he knows all the languages of the earth, and of angels, as well.

So, I leave you with this, my friend: "You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that-and shudder." James 2:19 NIV

Make very sure who it is that you have this "real and sacred" relationship with. "Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'" Matt. 7:22, 23



Ok Ripley...
then test the Spirit...
According to Scripture, do you even know how?
Most ecumenical believers don't...for they no little to nothing of spiritual combat the Kingdom of God.

Here let me show you... I will test you and then you can test me:

Ripley, I have just one question for you... and it is an easy one...
"In your own words, Who do you confess that Jesus is...?"




Who Is Jesus simple Lord savior Almighty    The I AM etc.....
Steadfast Wrote:

Brothers,
I am NOTHING more than a messenger from God...
So, slander me however you wish....
Go ahead, claim in vain, I am of the enemy all you wish....

They did the same to our LORD Yeshuah Ha-Mashiach and to his Spirit filled Deciples after him... And, Hashem KNOWS better...both in their case, and in mine.

My Born again conversion into Yeshuah mirrors the apostils' own doctrine and conversions in every biblical detail... While many of your's mirrors only how you wish the apostils where converted, and where not...

Bottom line:
It is not I who have denied Yeshuah's NAME, in baptism...
It is not I who refuse to do so, after being told the truth, that all can clearly see biblically written OVER AND OVER again in the book of ACTS... It is not I who will answer for your refusal to do so...

Repent therefore, become like those recorded in scripture, and be Re-baptized in Yeshuah's name for the remission of your sins, and when you do, Yeshuah will prove the truth of your biblical obedience to you, For you will recieve the baptism, of the Holy Spirit and the moment it happens you will shout out in a new language the glories of the Lord God almighty as HE gives you the utterance. For this is a promise unto you and everyone who the LORD shall call!

The kingdom of God has come near to you...
So, Take it or leave it...

For the Sun, moon and stars will cease, the skies, seas, and earth will be devoured in fire, but the Eternal TRUTH of this will never change...



we do not deny Jesus name in baptism you do not even understand The trinty because your blind on your bias that you have against it.


why do not you even look at the greek and see who really deny who.


http://www.velocity.net/~edju/web/Trinity7.htm
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Only those who have Zero miracles in their lives, choose to believe that "the gift's died with the apostils"..



Have I said that? No, I haven't. Search all you want, I have NEVER stated that, because that's not what I believe.

What I said was: YOUR gift is not from God. If it was, YOU would be professing Truth, but YOU don't.

You profess a nonsensical god; a foreign god.

You profess a works based gospel, which is not The Gospel.

You have a spirit, I'll take your word for that, but it's not the Holy One.

John 8 refutes your Oneness lie.
Jesus' own baptism, another.
The account of His conception, another.
The Lord's Prayer, another.
His time the the Garden, praying to the Father, another.
His death on the cross, quoting Ps 22, another.

How's THAT test? Want me to continue? How about start with Gen 1 and all the way through Rev 22. It ALL refutes you.

The TRUE Holy Spirit testifies to the TRUE Jesus. Since you don't know the TRUE Jesus, you don't have the TRUE Holy Spirit.

I suggest you test that spirit.
CheesygrinBURNING BUSH WROTE:

"Steadfast, what you are describing is the gift of tongues, that is given specifically FOR interpretation, and/or for unbelievers, so you are on the mark in your description of what happened to you, and I believe you because it's how the Spirit works and I have witnessed it myself many times over the years with a variety of different people and places."
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Right On! I too have witnessed these things although I don't have
the gift of tongues, but of prophecy.
When I came to G-D I did not want Eternal life, at this time I was
sick of life. I was full of misery and depression and just wanted to
die. I did not want to jump from the "frying pan into the fire."
I was without love or hope, all I wanted was non existance; as the
Philosopher said, "Life is nothing but an unpleasant interuption to a
seemingly blissful non existance.
  I found out that I wasn't a "tough guy" after all, although I was
raised on the streets. Church going people, I thought were a bunch
of sissies.
And so I got drunk.
I was alone in my room, then I prayed to G-D; "Lord Jesus, I don't
want life, take this life for what's it worth."... drunk and groaning...

Then it happened... some force hit me on the top of the head
traveling down to my feet and I immediately became stone sober.
As the force moved upward from my feet all of a sudden it felt like
a flock of birds flew off me and all the sorrow and depression and
all the negative feelings left. What happened next I can't describe.
I call it liquid love; I felt love for the 1st time in my life. There was
such peace and joy..I was never the same since.

All I wanted to do was study the WORD and my life became filled
with adventures. I became some kind of warrior fighting the
demon world. Have many stories to tell. I was too ignorant to be
scared.

SHALOM!
Ray
Prowler Wrote:

Im a Pentecostal and I recall a home group when a certain lady who was only a new christian claimed she already prays in tongues... a little while later an older chrisitan discerned and took a dislike to the tongue... requesting to pray for her she manifested immediately... after she was set free she prayed in a different tongue. The point is a tongue only proves one is spiritually open (knows how to yield) but it is the interpretation, words and deeds that help us discern the origin of the manifestation.

I heard mormans claim to pray in tongues... so the enemy does have his counterfeits... and a tongue of itself proves nothing... yet a chrisitan with OUT tongues will be disadvantaged.

I believe tongues are important and this post is for balance only!

1Co 14:18 NIV  I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you.


just a small correction which changed the meaning of what I was trying to say...
Steadfast Wrote:

Rant all you want... That is how the enemy acts...
Folks we are bout to learn what testing the spirits is according to scripture.

Again...Ripley...If I am of (that punk) satan
Go ahead... test the Spirit...
But, Do it According to Scripture.

Here, let me show you how...
I will test you and then you can test me:

Ripley, I have just one question to test you with... and it is an easy one to answer...

"In your own words, Who do you confess that Jesus is...?"

Answer the question from your heart if you can...

steadfast you can not test the spirits on a forum... that is just silly... the spirit needs to be in manifestation... a christian with a devil will confess Christ... but when the spirit is in manifestation it will speak against Christ
Dear Brother you asked ripley
"In your own words, Who do you confess that Jesus is...?"

Answer the question from your heart if you can...

Well I tell you

Yeshua is my God Yahweh he alone is my savior .

He is my Father who did create me
He came down from heaven ,walked on earth where he was nailed to the three to free me from sin .

I am not worthy of such great love but......
Still he did, He gave his live for me so i could be free
He did all this because his love is the greatest of all .

Now I am free in Him ,I am his child he is my father.
His seed am I.
Every morning when I open my curtains I feel blessed
I see his light
Light is all around me ,his spirit is working inside me
to form me into his likeness
No longer I belong to myself but only to him .
He is in control of my live, not religion .


Religion bound me for many years to their rules ,in religion i  did lurn to judge others.
But now i am truly free in his body ,he lives inside me .
He is feedinf my spirit through his spirit
This is how I will be formed into his likeness , not through the teachings of religion man.


Religion man try to form you always,they make a circle around you.
so you must live by their rules if you want to be saved they say..

Religion will suffocate the work of the holy spirit .
It is holy spirit who must finish his work inside you.

Glory to the name Yeshuah .

Amen
Prowler you say :steadfast you can not test the spirits on a forum... that is just silly... the spirit needs to be in manifestation... a christian with a devil will confess Christ... but when the spirit is in manifestation it will speak against Christ

I see on this forum some behavior that makes me really sad .Cry
Why do some want to proof others how saved they are and how much holyspirit is working inside them.
Brothers ,brothers remember the words of our dear brother Paul ?
Rom13;8-13
For I say, through the grace that was given me, to every man who is among you, not to think of himself MORE HIGHLY THAN HE OUGHT TO THINK ; but to think reasonably, as God has apportioned to each person a measure of faith.

For even as we have many members in one body
AND ALL THE MEMBERS DON INDIVIDUALLY MEMBERS  one of another.  
Having gifts DIFFERING ACCORDING TO THE GRACETHAT WAS GIVEN TO US :
If prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of our faith;
Or service, let us give ourselves to service;
Or he who teaches, to his teaching;
Or he who exhorts, to his exhorting:
He who gives, let him do it with liberality;
He who rules, with diligence;
He who shows mercy, with cheerfulness.

Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor that which is evil.
Cling to that which is good. In love of the brothers be tenderly affectionate one to another; in honor preferring one another;

Be of the same mind one toward another.
Don’t set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble.
DON,T BE WISE IN YOUR OWN CONCEITS.  

But you, why do you judge your brother?
Or you again, why do you despise your brother?
For we will all stand before the judgment seat of Messiah.  

Rom14;
For it is written,

“‘As I live,’ says the Lord, ‘to me every knee will bow.
    Every tongue will confess to God.’”

So then each one of us will give account of himself to God.
Therefore let’s not judge one another any more......



First, I will take on my own challenge:

Steadfast, in your own words, Who do you confess that Jesus is?

I Jerry (aka Steadfast) confess that Yeshuah is the ONE AND ONLY Messiah come in Flesh!  I confess that Yeshuah is the Son of the living God and the HE came to be the one and only blood ransom for the sin of the world, paid upon calvery's cross; that he died in my place, forever nailing my sin upon the cross of my shame!  I confess that Yeshauh alone is the door and the only way for mankind to find reconciliation with GOD. Jesus is my Lord, my king, my savior, my GOD, my everything!
Without HIM I would not be alive today!

Glory!

Now,
Here is how to biblically test the Spirit according to Scripture, not how we WISH it is done...or think it should be done...

It is written!

1 John 4:1-3
1 Beloved, don't believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit who confesses that Yeshua the Messiah has come in the flesh is of God, 3 and every spirit who doesn't confess that Yeshua the Messiah has come in the flesh is not of God, and this is the spirit of the anti-messiah, of whom you have heard that it comes. Now it is in the world already.

yup, I suppose that should quiet Ripley's accusing mouth about who I am in Christ Jesus... Cheesygrin
Wilby Wrote:

Steadfast don't waste your time on these people.

Have them explain Romans 6

Without baptism into Jesus and the gift of the Father there is no salvation

After baptism is communion

eat my body drink my blood or else you will not receive eternal life

they great at dancing around the truth

Steadfast, they are dancers so let them dance

Just keep preaching salvation in Jesus and ignor their rebellion

walk away and dust off your feet as you leave and do not wish them well as this will make you a partaker of their false doctrines

sad thing is --they don't even agree on salvation




Now This is a shock that someone believe communion remits sins.


Rather then the literal act what Jesus did on the cross you put wine and bread as in what forgives when taken.


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