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sad thing is --they don't even agree on salvation


Yes we do it you and stead that do not agree everyone else  who is in this debate I think agree with each other.




it clear steadfast and willby you rather replace the LITERAL act what Christ did on the cross that saves to COMMUNION which saves which only resembles what Jesus did.


It clear you rather replace baptism being a noun to verb etc........


You need to re-write the bible for it to fit your doctrine.



The Lord rebukes your false doctrines and replacing his literal death that saves to communion which saves even thou it only resembles what Jesus did.

It is our King Yeshua who decide who he will sub with, not we
decide who is worthy of Christ .

Dear Steadfast be strong ,grow in spirit .
I hope you keep holding on to your Joy in your God Yeshua



http://www.yeshuasongs.com/Glory-and-Honor.mp3

And so I got drunk.
I was alone in my room, then I prayed to G-D; "Lord Jesus, I don't
want life, take this life for what's it worth."... drunk and groaning...

Then it happened... some force hit me on the top of the head
traveling down to my feet and I immediately became stone sober.
As the force moved upward from my feet all of a sudden it felt like
a flock of birds flew off me and all the sorrow and depression and
all the negative feelings left. What happened next I can't describe.
I call it liquid love; I felt love for the 1st time in my life. There was
such peace and joy..I was never the same since.

All I wanted to do was study the WORD and my life became filled
with adventures. I became some kind of warrior fighting the
demon world. Have many stories to tell. I was too ignorant to be
scared.

SHALOM!
Ray

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Amen
Please listen to the beautifull words of this music dear brother
It sure makes you cry doesnt it ?

http://www.yeshuasongs.com/when-I-worship-you.mp3

Anja I am in agreement with your loving and peaceful heart but LOVE is not blind for there are some teachers that you are not suppose to let into your own house. I am moved past grief sometimes and must speak out and say openly that I DISAGREE. I believe there are biblical grounds for testing the spirits but some on here are just way to legalistic in their circumcision.

2Jn 1:10-11 NIV If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.  (11)  Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.

You know how there are some on here that want to add to how we receive salvation... am I to be totally silent in love? Some call Christ an angel and Michael how can I be silent?

I believe the Gospel is defined in 1Co 15:1-4 and must be coupled with Peters revelation that Christ is Jehovah the Son - equal to the father; else He is not G-d.

1Co 15:1-4 NIV Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand.  (2)  By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.  (3)  For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: [Or you at the first] that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,  (4)  that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,

How I wish we would concentrate on lifting up Christ so that He would draw all men onto Himself... yet I know there are some on here who will continue to reject the Living Word that visited us.

I am a sinner saved by grace through the Name of Christ Jesus. Amen. My eternal future is secure in His love as I go about proving my faith and salvation (G-d) here on earth from grace to grace so as to extend His Kingdom and His Name.

According to your confession I believe you are a Christian, saved by Christs blood for His glory... but this does not mean I agree with your baptism doctrine and other additions. The falling short of your Gospel interpretation does not make my faith void nor does it stop G-ds right hand upon my life.

Sadly you two question our salvation yet we confess and glory in Christ whom you call Saviour and G-d.

Rom 8:33-39 KJV  Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.  (34)  Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.  (35)  Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?  (36)  As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.  (37)  Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.  (38)  For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,  (39)  Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

I would suggest for us to concentrate on the confession of Christ and who He is without the charges of falling short.

You are dancing around and away from very easy questions of mine in post #477.  The truth is, you cannot answer.  Sinners cannot, by way of direct access into heaven or by use of the natural element of water, apply the blood of Christ to themselves, as you exhort them to do.  Further, you cannot explain your misinterpretation of the following text, which misinterpretation you use as a proof for your false teaching:

Matthew 19:28  (I put this in poem form in hopes you will get the actual meaning):

And Jesus said unto them,
Verily I say unto you,
that ye [THE TWELVE] which have followed Me [AS HIS TWELVE DISCIPLES DURING HIS EARTHLY MINISTRY],
in [AT THE TIME OF] the regeneration [THE BODILY RESURRECTION OF THE SAVED DEAD],
when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory,
Ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones,
judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Jesus is not saying, "Follow Me in the regeneration."  Ain't there!

Wilby, footshaking means something only when the gospel has been rejected.  We have not rejected the gospel, but you have rejected it, long ago, when more than once you rejected believing on Jesus and found your own way. 

Dear prowler
you said : You know how there are some on here that want to add to how we receive salvation...

Anja says :
Yes I see this happens al the time on many forums

am I to be totally silent in love?
Anja says: No you do not need to be silent,this what the forum is made for.
But as you say we need to do it IN LOVE
This what i feel is short of on this forum .

Some call Christ an angel and Michael how can I be silent?
Anja says : do not be silent let holy spirit inside you do his work ,he will  speak the truth ,but we all need to watch out .........
to think we have all the knowledge ,not to become high and mighty stand above others just because we feel we have all the answers .

We need to humble our self in all we do ,even if you stand up to tell the truth ,it is not our truth but his .
I believe our behavior to others has more power then 10.000 words
We need to show the Lord to his world ,not alone in knowledge but we are his reflection of love in every thing we do in how we behave to others
How we think about our fellow men ,how we feel for those who,s heart  are stil bound to religion traditions and how there freedom is stoolen from them
For many still live in captivity in these religion prison houses .
Remeber ......
How God loved us, helped us to get free from this captivety,
for we to are not worthy of his love but,,,,,,
Still OUR LORD YESHUA  LOVES US ALL .....EVEN THE GREATEST SINNER .
We all need to ASK OUR SELF ...
HOW did Yeshuah freed me , changed ME from with in ?
And how do I show this by everything I do ore not do ?
In how I say it ?
Do I approach others ,as Christ approach me ?
How did the Lord approach me when i was still walking in darkness still living in sin ?

Are the words of the Lord not firm but still filled with kindness ?
Did Christ made me feel unworthy ,not loved ?

Did his words humiliate me when I was still walking in darkness ?
Was I so much better as so many poor once are still now ?
No ... I was not !


Remember ALL ARE HIS SHEEP THEY BELONG TO THE SHEPHERD , NOT US.
THEY DO NOT BELONG TO RELIGION MEN ,THOSE WHO SAY WE ARE YOUR SHEPHERDS.

Every one need space
EVERY ONE NEEDS TO DO THEIR OWN GROWING IN CHRIST BODY BY THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT .
IT IS HIS WORK NOT OUR.

Prowler you say :
I believe the Gospel is defined in 1Co 15:1-4
and must be coupled with Peter.


Anja says ,

Holy spirit did show Peter who Christ is , not through the words of any man .

Remember we are not the ones who can reveal God the father ,only Holy spirit can.

The Son alone can reveal The Father !
He will reveal it to whome The Son please to do so  yes through the power of Holy spirit .

This is `the rock` on who he will build his body.

Peter did see his savior through the power of holy spirit .
He sow who Yeshua is ....his God Jehovah.

1Peter 2:6 Because it is contained in Scripture,

“Behold, I lay in Zion a chief cornerstone, chosen, and precious:
    He who believes in him will not be disappointed.”

2:7 For you who believe therefore is the honor, but for those who are disobedient,

“The stone which the builders rejected,
    has become the chief cornerstone,”

2:8 and,

“a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense.”

For they stumble at the word, being disobedient, to which also they were appointed.

Isa 44:8 Don’t fear,
    neither be afraid.
Haven’t I declared it to you long ago,
    and shown it?
You are my witnesses.
    Is there a God besides me?
Indeed, there is not.
    I don’t know any other Rock.”

Prowler says :How I wish we would concentrate on lifting up Christ so that He would draw all men onto Himself

Amen ....As Do I brother

Yoch3:14/21

As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,  that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
For God didn’t send his Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through him.  

He who believes in him is not judged. He who doesn’t believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.

This is the judgment, that the light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light; for their works were evil.
For everyone who does evil hates the light, and doesn’t come to the light, lest his works would be exposed

But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his works may be revealed, that they have been done in God.”

Amen

Experiences, and use of the name "Jesus", are meaningless unless they are true. And how we know they are true is by the comparing them to scripture. Not our "good feelings" or "happy thoughts" or even our "good works"....many counterfeits are out there.

Have any of you read the experience of Joseph Smith? History of Joseph Smith A young man asking which church he should join. Visited by an angel. Told a story by that angel, which he wrote down. He and his followers were "persecuted." So much so that they left their country to establish "God's kingdom on earth" and became one of the most influential religions on earth. Moral people, strong families. Seemingly "good fruit." And all "in the name of Jesus."

Oh, yes, a beautiful story/testimony. Full of miracles. Visitations! But what was the message? Who is his Jesus?

If we embrace Oneness (one "different Jesus"), then heck, let's embrace ALL DIFFERENT JESUSES!

But, we are warned NOT to do that. We are warned that there will be counterfeits. We are warned that false prophets, miracles, and wonders WILL COME. And we are warned to STICK WITH THE TRUTH. To be discerning. THE Way, THE Truth, THE Life....not many, JUST ONE.

So, Steadfast, as much as I do not want to say it, your confession is meaningless. Your doctrines are refuted by the LORD, not me. In the same way that He refutes Joseph Smith's teachings. SAME/SAME!!

So, once again, I implore you, test that spirit! Search the scriptures IN EARNEST to find the TRUE Jesus there. Quit wrenching the texts to form this Oneness nonsense. You deny Jesus' own words, then claim to know Him. It is absolutely CLEAR that Jesus is NOT the Father, or the Holy Spirit, from Jesus' OWN MOUTH. And THAT is the fundamental difference I have with you. Baptism is another subject, but puny compared to WHO God is. Milk then meat.

Your foundation is flawed. Build your house on THE ROCK!

Prov. 14:12- There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death.

Prov. 12:15- The way of a fool seems right to him, but a wise man listens to advice.