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It also needs to be stated, for those who don't know, that JWs ALSO AFFIRM that Jesus is "a god". They don't believe that He is a mere man in history, as a Darwinist might acquiece to.

Mormon's will also say that Jesus is "a god".

Both JWs and Mormons are "GOOD PEOPLE"!! They are diligent and hard working and loving and kind and faithful.

They are also DEAD WRONG. And I don't use that term lightly.

And that's why sometimes it is not enough to simply quote scripture. BECAUSE they say "Jesus", we say "Jesus", but it means different things to each of us. ("After all it's the Name that's important, right?" WRONG!!!!)

When either of these groups come to my door, I invite them in. I have had MANY conversations with them. And I always stick with WHO JESUS IS. (Because Who He Is is the foundation of our faith, the Cornerstone. Without the Rock, the house falls. And it is the Son, not baptism, or tongues, or visions, that sets us FREE!)

If you guys think that Satan and his army can't quote ALL scripture (including the NT), and can't speak any language he wants, earthly and heavenly, I don't know what to say to you.

If you think he rears his ugly head looking like a demon from a Hollywood horror movie, and not as a beautiful seducer: charismatic, charming, personable, affable..again, I don't know what to say. YHWH has warned us many times in His word. HELLO!

We MUST be discerning!

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2 Cor. 11:1-7a CJV- I would like you to bear with me in a little foolishness - please do bear with me! For I am jealous for you with God's kind of jealousy; since I promised to present you as a pure virgin in marriage to your one husband, the Messiah; and I fear that somehow your minds may be seduced away from simple and pure devotion to the Messiah, just as Havah was deceived by the serpent and his craftiness. For if someone comes and tells you about some other Yeshua than the one we told you about, or if you receive a spirit different from the one you received or accept some so-called "good news" different from the Good News you already accepted, you bear with him well enough!
For I don't consider myself in any way inferior to these "super-emissaries." I may not be a skilled speaker, but I do have the knowledge; anyhow, we have made this clear to you in every way and in every circumstance. Or did I sin in humbling myself so that you could be exalted, by admitting I am *a sinner*, just like you? That the ONLY thing that makes me Holy is Him? That He, alone, pulled me up out of the mud and made me something "new and Holy" for His sake?

13-15- The fact is that such men are pseudo-emissaries: they tell lies about their work and masquerade as emissaries of the Messiah. There is nothing surprising in that, for the Adversary himself masquerades as an angel of light; so it's no great thing if his workers masquerade as servants of righteousness. They will meet the end their deeds deserve.

Steadfast, wilby, Anja, listen to the LORD! I BEG YOU!

Brothers/Sisters, *be jealous* with God's kind of jealousy, and defend the faith! Do NOT "bear with them"...that is NOT agape!!

Ripley's, adding another poster to the list above, when we defend the faith, they see it as jealousy but of the wrong sort.  Where a fellow poster seems to believe in Jesus but 1) presents a different Jesus or 2) shows pride or contempt against other believers, we can follow John's instructions and not receive them.  We are actually to send them on their way unhelped, according to John.  Forums are not held in high esteem by all Christians, because of the facility for false teaching, though it is answered.  Because it is allowed to keep re-presenting itself.  As far as who and what they think they are, we only have their electronically conveyed words to go on, which cannot be proved here.  Both they and we must weigh our respective claims on the Bible, and this is where the tendency to rely on for doctrine and theology or a spiritual superiority, experience, sensations, visions, visitations, or dreams, manifests with those who have been taught wrong and have received that wrong teaching.  It is so a part of their spiritual identity, it would be like expecting them to cut their hand off to deny it.  They cannot do it.  Only God can make Himself real to us through the hearing of the gospel, and they believe God is not only real to them, but He is closer to them than to any other by reason of the various sensational or visual experiences.  As you point out, this is spiritual deception.  And it is this spirit I have had to test and resist repeatedly in dealing with those here who claim to believe in or love Jesus, but ultimately deny who He is and what He has done.

With all due respect Baptistic, "that wrong teaching", and "spiritual deception", is all through the Word.

Thank G-d He gives visions, visitations and dreams, and we can experience a LIVING WORD, though the manifestation of His Spirit. And thank G-d that ALL the patriarchs in the OT were faithful to record their visions, visitations, dreams, ect., not to mention those of Yeshua, Peter, John, Phillip, Stephen, 120 on the day of Pentecost, ect.

Since G-d is no respecter of persons and since it says we have a BETTER covenant than those of the OT, logic alone dictates that we would have everything they had, and then some. Praise G-d we do. Blessings.....

And ya know, I would do just that, but because this is a public forum, I just cannot let it go without correction.

Apparently my gift is Holy Meltdown. (JOKE, people, JOKE!)

All about gifts of the Spirit: 1 Cor. 12 CJV (read through Ch. 14 by using the >> key at top, next to "Go To"...and choose whichever version you want with the pulldown menu next to "using")

7-11:
Moreover, to each person is given the particular manifestation of the Spirit that will be for the common good. To one, through the Spirit, is given a word of wisdom; to another, a word of knowledge, in accordance with the same Spirit; to another, faith, by the same Spirit; and to another, gifts of healing, by the one Spirit; to another, the working of miracles; to another, prophecy; to another, the ability to judge between spirits; to another, the ability to speak in different kinds of tongues; and to yet another, the ability to interpret tongues. One and the same Spirit is at work in all these things, distributing to each person as he chooses.

29,30:
Not all are emissaries, are they? Not all are prophets, are they? or teachers? or miracle-workers? Not all have gifts of healing, not all speak in tongues, not all interpret, do they?

Shalom.

Ripley says :
Experiences, and use of the name "Jesus", are meaningless unless they are true. And how we know they are true is by the comparing them to scripture. Not our "good feelings" or "happy thoughts" or even our "good works"....many counterfeits are out there.

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Well Ripley dont be supriced if i tell you that i did use this same remarc
when i was bringing the so called truth of the jehovah witness organisation at the door .
I did use scriptures ,many ,many scriptures ,for boy jehovah witness do ride the bible like a horse .

But did all these so called knowledge of scripture and comparing of scripture
make me wise , NO !

Only God holy spirit can guide us trough his word ,if we allow religion to
interpretate scriptures for us ,we are more fare are away of God
and the truth

For no truth is coming of men ,ore any religion .
The fact is this is Yeshua said ,the prince of this world is Satan.
And he make,s us believe we receive the truth about who and what God is from our church leaders who will bring you some framed God .
and if you do not live by their rules they say ,sorry girl but you are not saved .

But he true one shepherd loves all his sheep and he him self will call them out one by one and bring them in to green pasture.

Ezech 34;16 I will seek that which was lost, and will bring back that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but the fat and the strong I will destroy; I will feed them in justice.  34:17 As for you, O my flock, thus says the Lord GOD: Behold, I judge between sheep and sheep, the rams and the male goats.  34:18 Does it seem a small thing to you to have fed on the good pasture, but you must tread down with your feet the residue of your pasture? and to have drunk of the clear waters, but you must foul the residue with your feet?  34:19 As for my sheep, they eat that which you have trodden with your feet, and they drink that which you have fouled with your feet.  34:20 Therefore thus says the Lord GOD to them: Behold, I, even I, will judge between the fat sheep and the lean sheep.  34:21 Because you thrust with side and with shoulder, and push all the diseased with your horns, until you have scattered them abroad;  34:22 therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between sheep and sheep.  34:23 I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.  

I have read it Ripley; a hundred times. More importantly, I've had it made LIFE in me, and I've walked in that life.

I'll phrase it this way, and these things actually happened to me in the beginning of my walk (and sometimes still do).

I was born again, and the 3rd day after the L-rd spoke something to me out of a book I had never read before, and the unsaved came to me to tell me none of it was G-d. TOO LATE, He already got me!

I was walking in the gifts of the Spirit which are activated by the baptism in the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues, and the Baptists came to tell me it was not for today. TOO LATE, He already got me!

I was walking in a deliverance ministry HE started with me, casting out evil spirits in His name and watching people being healed and the Pentecostals came to me to tell me a Christian couldn't have an evil spirit. TOO LATE, He already taught me!

And I could go on and on with examples, because anytime G-d does something, immediately Satan comes to steal the Word/breath from our hearts, because essentially he is trying to "suffocate" us until we die.

Which is why man shall not live by bread (letter of the Word) alone, but by every word (Spirit breathed) that comes from the mouth of G-d. So basically, we want to keep breathing in that Spirit breathed LIVING Word, until the last enemy is overcome.

And I liked your "Holy Meltdown" comment, Good one (smile), I can identify with that, too.
Blessings....

BURNING BUSH WROTE!

  "Since G-d is no respecter of persons and since it says we have a BETTER covenant than those of the OT, logic alone dictates that we would have everything they had, and then some. Praise G-d we do. Blessings....."
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So true Burning Bush! You make me feel like Moses.

SHALOM!
Ray  

This thread is not about the gifts of the Spirit, or specifically about my gifts. This thread is called "Saved according to scripture". Nice try at diversion from the central point. Anything to get away from sound doctrine.

A different Jesus.
A different gospel.
A different spirit.

Who's constraining the Holy Spirit here? ("One gift for all." In fact attempting to lead us to sin by *coveting* anothers gift?)

Steadfast, I suppose the next thing you'll post is a pic of you holding rattlesnakes and drinking poison?? (You forgot to underline those parts, why?)

Bottom line, that you quoted yourself:
16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. Where's the "is not baptized part after the comma? It's not there. "Whoever does not believe will be condemned."

You don't believe God's word that there are other spirits out there. That they deceive and mislead people. That not everyone who does "wonderful things" in His name belongs to Him.

If you don't believe God, how will you believe me?

Your blood is not on my head. I have tried.

I continue to pray for you.

I AM NOT QUESTIONING GIFTS. I am questioning the message that is CONFIRMED by those gifts.

This thread reminds me of Stuart on Mad TV. "Look what I can do!"

Jesus asked, "Who do YOU say I am?" ("Upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.")

So, Who is He?
The Mormon Jesus?
The JW Jesus?
The Oneness Jesus?
The Darwinist Jesus?
The Islam Jesus?
The Ba'hai Jesus?
The Pantheist Jesus?
The Talmud Jesus?
Or Jesus of the Bible?

I keep saying, "Look at Jesus."
Others are saying, "Look what I can do!", while tripping on the Cornerstone, insisting on a formula (of works and words) for salvation, demanding that we are all a tongue, etc.

The legalists upheld, the Spirit-filled Bible-believer condemned.

For the record, why are you dismissing (one of) my gifts: to another discerning of spirits? 1 Cor.12 KJV

12:21- And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.