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Guess I missed a post or two......thanks for the FYI. I guess I'll have to proofread myself better then......

First 3 questions; Of course he can. I personally have never seen anything but the flesh of someone try to imitate the Spirit of G-d, as opposed to an evil spirit doing it. "Prophecy" that is not prophecy, seems to be favorite, probably because it draws more attention to the flesh of the person doing the imitating. Generally, it seemed to be those that were not walking in the gifts to begin with, but wanted to appear to do so, unaware that the Spirit has it's own "check". The spirit of the prophets is subject unto the prophets.

But as I said in another post somewhere on here, what has hurt the body much more than that, is that they became so fearful of getting a wrong spirit, they eliminated getting the right one.

Last 3; G-d has been progressively restoring that which was lost from the time of the disciples. We are only held accountable for what we know, so those that had no knowledge of something more, were not held accountable.

Speaking in tongues is not the not litmus test for spirit salvation. It is the evidence that He is in you, and He is risen. Salvation is a 3 fold process.

We are saved/spirit (met Yeshua as our personal savior)
We are being saved/soul (met Him as the HG)
We will be saved/body (meet Him as L-rd of all, sitting at the right hand of the Father).

I guess my question is; why would anyone NOT want more of what G-d has to offer? Blessings.....

I'm define evil spirit as being a demon and another thing is jesus Himself said many miracles and wonders will come in the last days.  Satan is a angel of Light He can try to do also do miracles and wonders that people  in the last days will be deceive and think it from God.


If Someone believers He operate in t he gifts and yet teaching a gospel base on baptism which is willby and others say to fullfill all righteous then that mean baptism is a work that Must be done by our own righteousness which conflicts scriptures and as ripley show in Isaiah many times our righteousness is like filthy rags.

Salvation is from God and we do not have any part of bestowing salvation on us only God does this.


Our Job is to believe and repent then God will bestow salvation on us and after that If our conversion is true it will show in your fruits as to obeying God.    



The bottom Line if paul told us to not listen even to an angel if they preach another gospel what makes others think I will listen to men and the spirit they are lead by?

Your reasoning that the Church has everything the OT had was flawed, as you had to admit to my counter.

Your next flaw is that we enter into the Spirit of Christ, which reasoning is anchored in Oneness, which claims that Christ is today back to being a spirit only.  No.  Christ is risen bodily, and ascended bodily, and we are baptized into Christ by the Holy Spirit.  In Christ describes the Church.

2 Peter 1:19 tells the superiority of the Word of God over visions.  The Word is likened to a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawn ... in your hearts.  It is the Word of God, the gospel, that is the power of God unto salvation; visions and tongues are not regarded as more sure, but the Word of God is.

Your "eyes...flint...start a fire" example does not work because you are grasping at mixed metaphors and scriptures, and, again, you falsely state that Christ is only spirit now.

Visions are nowhere characterized as a natural "by-product".

You mistakenly believe Christ is being raised again and again.  It is the man dead to God who is being raised from the dead, in Christ.  Christ died once, was raised once, and ascended once to prepare a place for us with His blood.

Ephesians 1:17-20  The literal reading is "eyes of your heart being enlightened."  Romans 10:9-10 "shalt believe in thine heart ... For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness..."

The context for "the 3" is in v. 17.  You did not mean the Trinity.  Yet this entire chapter is about how the Father chose us in Christ; the Son purchased the Church; and the Holy Spirit seals (implants the image of God upon the heart, denoting rightful ownership) and protects (guarantees delivery of) the Church until the redemption of the purchased possession.

Absolutely no mention of the natural element of water being needed for salvation, of a sinner applying the blood of Christ which is in heaven through water baptism, or of visions and dreams as natural by-products.

No.  Peter sank because he took his eyes off of Jesus, Who repeatedly called Himself the Son of man.  The men feared they were seeing a spirit, but it was the Son of God come in the flesh walking across the water to them. [/quote]

I know He called Himself the Son of man, because, obviously incarnate He was the Son of man in the flesh. The reason they feared they were seeing a spirit, is because He had APPEARED to break so many laws (although He kept it perfectly, ie. in the walking out of the Father's heart/will, aka, in the Spirit). They thought he had been struck down, either by G-d or the Pharisees, for such, as judgment. After all, they had seen Him raise the dead and heal lepers, why would this have been any big thing?

This section is one of my favorite teachings, because it is so rich. The water represents the waters below the firmament. The firmament is called heaven in Genesis. Waters speak of people also of ANYTHING created that is below heaven, and specifically of the Word that is corrupted, ie. not Spirit but letter. Corrupted in the sense that it's purpose is to bring death to the hearer, ie. the ministration of condemnation.

As such, Yeshua walking to them ABOVE or on, the waters, meant it was a picture of Him walking to them in His High priestly function, as intercessor between man (waters below the firmament) and G-d (waters above the firmament). Note the witness of the 3 again. That He walked there CONTINUALLY while He was walking as the Son of man, is evidenced both by what He did, and the fact He essentially told Nicodemus, I'm standing here, but I'm in heaven.

Keeping our eyes on the flesh of Jesus in His walk as the Son of man, is necessary for a season, but the time comes when the Father will show you the Son in His role in all His glory, as He did to the 3 disciples He took up on the mount, when the Father spoke and said THIS is my Son, hear ye HIM. To be continued...

Part 2 of first post.....

So the waters of condemnation to the flesh have a boat in them, full of disciples. Wood (boat) speaks of the wooden carnal nature of man which is why a shittim tree was used to construct the ark of the covenant, as a wood, it is fit only for the fire. The carnal nature is as Sodom (the flesh) and Gomorrah (the carnal mind). We can ONLY overcome these two by the fire of the HG that rains down upon our heads and begins to consume the carnal nature, until nothing is seen of it, just like nothing of the shittim wood was seen once overlaid with the inward gold (inward anointing = Christ in you) and the outward gold (outward anointing = you in Christ).

When Peter finally obeyed the Word that was SPIRIT, ie. what the L-rd spoke, as He said I only speak what I hear my Father speak, and the Father is a Spirit, then Yeshua came IN THE BOAT, and IMMEDIATELY THEY WERE ON THE OTHER SIDE.

For this reason, man shall not live by bread (Word that is letter) alone, but by every word (Word that is Spirit) that comes from the Father's mouth. The Word that is bread/letter mixed with the Word that is wine/Spirit, is TRUE COMMUNION, and He said to do this oft in remembrance of, or to re-member Him. What we are actually doing by following this pattern, is re-membering His body, which is SPIRIT.

And the end result of that is, we are changed from glory (terrestrial/waters below the firmament/letter) to glory (celestial/firmament/Spirit). We don't know (through the carnal mind which is the enmity of G-d), what we will be like, but when He appears (Spirit revealed), we know we shall be like Him. Blessings...

1) I see nothing wrong with calling Him the pattern Son, as He is the Son the pattern was made from, therefore He is the pattern Son.

2) He arose bodily in a glorified body that walked through walls. I have never studied "Oneness" philosophies, and if you read my post about the Watchtower people, He took care of my instruction from them, the first week I was born again.

I've never said anything about there not being 3. In fact, I've pointed out all the witnesses of 3 as I come to them, that underscore the three manifestations of the Godhead.

However, since Yeshua said I ONLY say what I hear My Father speak, WHO exactly was it that said, "the Holy Spirit would take the things of Mine and show them unto you?"

I'm going to have to answer your post in several posts, due to the limitations of the post length here. Blessings....

I try to proofread mine, too, but still it happens.

And the "DOH!" was meant to be what we all (or at least me) say when we read our posted errors...LOL




I haven't seen anyone here deny tongues as *a* gift, what I have seen is this:

-emphasis mine-

Tongues is ONE evidence, among MANY. God Himself specifically says that not all speak in tongues. Just as not all prophesy. And not all heal, etc. So, if a believer does not speak in tongues, it does not mean they aren't Spirit filled.

What I am saying is that IF, from that same mouth, the person teaches another Jesus (the ones I previously listed HERE), and another gospel (of precise works and words), that the spirit they have has "opened their eyes to", then the spirit they have is a "familiar" one, not the Holy One.

(Keep in mind, many of those I listed were "miraculously" revealed. What process do YOU use to discount them? In other words, does the miracle verify the message, or the message verify the miracle?)




You'll have to clarify this before I comment on it, because I see salvation as a ONE STEP process: believe/trust/place faith in.

I never said only His Spirit was risen. And I know He never referred to His body as a husk. I was making a point using a seed, which is what falls to the ground and dies and brings forth much fruit. That seed had 3 components, another witness.

Since G-d the Father was IN CHRIST reconciling all men unto Himself, He was indwelling, as I said before, as the life everlasting.

He is in the Father and the Father in Him, as He prayed to make us one with Him in the same way, which He did with the inward anointing and the outward anointing.

Oneness is in error because they assume that one is all there is, but as He used the joining of man and woman (2) that BECOME one flesh for the example of Himself joined to the church body, it's not 1, but 1 plus 1 = 1 in G-d's economy.

And the scripture you used perfectly illustrates what I was sharing. Only begotten, means only one was begotten. The Word that was before the foundation of the Word, was the Word that is/was SPIRIT. It is this Word, that was made flesh, or lowered into the realm of a natural creation. The invisible G-d desired visibility.

This is why it was said of Abraham's seed, being one, and not many, for that seed was Christ, and of this same SPIRIT have we all received. When He said, speaking what He heard His Father speak, Abraham saw my DAY, and was glad, what Abraham saw was the DAY of the L-rd G-d the Father, which IS Christ.

The day of the L-rd, the 7th day was no part darkness. It was not no part darkness because the darkness was not there, but rather it was covered over, as the mercy seat covers the law with the darkness of the death contained in it.

Which is why love covers a multitude of sins. And why the white stone the overcomer's receive is the Word/letter, with the darkness/death of the law covered over with life/Spirit, ie. a new name/nature emerges, you in Christ. Blessings....

More in depth teaching on Steadfast's Oneness god here: The moment in history when God's name became ONE name