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Burning Bush Wrote:

Hi Sugarman; I don't have time tonight to give you a rundown on all of it, but I will get back to you. May I suggest you do what the L-rd had me to do initially? I knew nothing about nothing, and I looked up every scripture in there dealing with His power, the fullness, the gifts, and the HG, and cross referenced them as to content.

I didn't do this because I needed to believe it, I believed it as soon as I read about it the first time. But what I ended up with was about 2 legal pads full of handwritten scriptures that proved what I had already experienced by the simple act of believing what was written, and asking if it was of Him, to receive it. So simple a child could do it. Blessings to you.....


bush I believe all the gifts are for today and  I long for and pray for God will to be done whatever  is in his will it shall be done.


I notice something that happen to me when in acts the people were filled with the spirit.


I grow very shy and afraid I would vomit everyday at school do to I was so afraid.

As i got order i did not vomit but i was still very shy BUT when I fully understand what jesus did for me and truly ask him to be mine savior i was change just like those people in acts 4 speak God word bold.


before i would not even defend my self even if I could do to my shyness but today I  speak freely from The Change that the holy spirit did for me.


Now if this verse says
16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemne
Must read this verse:

1Yoch5:5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Yeshua is the Son of God?  

5:6 This is he who came by water and blood, Yeshua the Messiah; not with the water only, but with the water and the blood.
IT IS THE SPIRIT WHO TESTIFIES ,

anja says :Why the spirit ?

....because the Spirit IS THE TRUTH .

5:9 If we receive the witness of men, THE WITNESS OF GOD IS GREATER

Amen

;for this is God’s testimony which he has testified concerning his Son.

5:10 He who believes in the Son of God HAS THE TESTIMONY  IN HIMSELF (Gods spirit in him self)

He who doesn’t believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning his Son.  

5:11 The testimony is this, that God gave to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
5:12 He who has the Son has the life. He who doesn’t have God’s Son doesn’t have the life.

  "that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God. "

              that Jehovah=Yah,shua
The work of religion in man is what I see in many answers here.
I agree in what you say brother Baptistic you wrote:


I'm not sure why you need to see something on the heads, as the cloven tongues like as of fire as related in scripture was apparently only at Pentecost.  The rest of the NT scripture does not tell of this, nor insist upon it as evidence of the Holy Spirit within the new believer.  But we do have scripture to affirm that those who have believed have received the Holy Spirit and that He does the baptizing, the sealing, and the sanctification work in the believer.

John the Baptist said "he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire", but the Pentecost account relates the cloven tongues were like as of fire.  A case can be made that the fire John spoke of was perhaps judgment at His second coming.

Amen brother,

Read 1Cor 3:13 each man’s work will be revealed. For the Day will declare it, because it is revealed in fire; and the fire itself will test what sort of work each man’s work is.  3:14 If any man’s work remains which he built on it, he will receive a reward.  3:15 If any man’s work is burned, he will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved, but as through fire.
  It may also refer to what Peter called the "fiery trial" that believers would undergo for their faith.
Baptistic Wrote:

[quote=Burning Bush - post #596]I know He called Himself the Son of man, because, obviously incarnate He was the Son of man in the flesh.
No.  He was the Son of God come in the flesh--the Son of man.

Idea And again, my meaning here is, the flesh of Him was called the Son of man, obviously. If you look back to my earlier posts, I mention Emmanuel as G-d with us (in the flesh) several times.

Burning Bush - post #596 Wrote:
The reason they feared [...]  They thought he had been struck down, either by G-d or the Pharisees, for such, as judgment.  [...]
No.  The gospel writers gave clues as to what the disciples were reasoning, and this was not that reasoning.  Jesus was walking on water, and they thought they saw a spirit.

Idea And they thought they saw a spirit (ghost) for what reason?

Burning Bush - post #596 Wrote:
Note the witness of the 3 again.  [...]  He essentially told Nicodemus, I'm standing here, but I'm in heaven.
No.  Oneness has God as a hypokrites, a roleplayer.  This is what you are promoting.  It is not scriptural.

Idea First of all, I'm not "promoting" anything. I'm sharing what has been made life in me. I think you are so determined to prove that I'm something I'm not, you are reaching for straws. I know nothing about "Oneness" doctrine, having never studied ANY doctrines of any kind. And as for what He told Nicodemus, you be the judge.

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is IN (not going TO BE) in heaven. To be continued....
Part 2, first post.....

Burning Bush - post #597 Wrote:
So the waters of condemnation to the flesh have a boat in them, full of disciples. Wood (boat) speaks of the wooden carnal nature of man which is why a shittim tree was used to construct the ark of the covenant, as a wood, it is fit only for the fire. The carnal nature is as Sodom (the flesh) and Gomorrah (the carnal mind). We can ONLY overcome these two by the fire of the HG that rains down upon our heads and begins to consume the carnal nature, until nothing is seen of it, just like nothing of the shittim wood was seen once overlaid with the inward gold (inward anointing = Christ in you) and the outward gold (outward anointing = you in Christ).
Again, you are mixing metaphors and scriptures to the point of confusing the disciples' boat with what the ark represents, which you misrepresent.  Jesus Christ was not carnal.  He was perfectly divine (fully God) and perfectly human (fully human), with no sin.  This is what the ark shows, and why it was a mercy seat.

Idea Wood is wood and represents our humanity, in scripture, period. Which is also why we are mentioned as trees in scripture, and why there is a tree of life, in the first place. What you are missing is, that G-d built Himself an ark this time. WE are that shittim wood, that is covered with an inward anointing (Christ in you), and an outward anointing (you in Christ). To be continued.....
Burning Bush Wrote:

Hi Sugarman; I don't have time tonight to give you a rundown on all of it, but I will get back to you

It take some time BB ,you wrote the same answer to me about 4 weeks ago ,and I am still waithing for a answer.Mrgreen
Part 3......

Burning Bush - post #597 Wrote:
When Peter finally obeyed the Word that was SPIRIT, ie. what the L-rd spoke, as He said I only speak what I hear my Father speak, and the Father is a Spirit, then Yeshua came IN THE BOAT, and IMMEDIATELY THEY WERE ON THE OTHER SIDE.
Jesus said, God is a Spirit, and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth.  You mis-relate this story.  After Jesus fed the multitudes, He sent the disciples on ahead while He went up the mountain to pray.  He came to them in the fourth watch of the night.  Jesus said to Peter, “Come” and (after Peter sank and cried to be saved) “O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?”  Jesus had to save Peter; Peter did not save himself by obedience.  Jesus did not say, you must obey first, or I will not save you and come into the boat.
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Idea I paraphrased it, but let's look at it in it's entirety.

Matthew 14:22-33
    22 And straightway Jesus constrained his disciples to get into a ship, and to go before him unto the other side, while he sent the multitudes away. 23 And when he had sent the multitudes away, he went up into a mountain apart to pray: and when the evening was come, he was there alone. 24 But the ship was now in the midst of the sea, tossed with waves: for the wind was contrary. 25 And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea. 26 And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit; and they cried out for fear. 27 But straightway Jesus spake unto them, saying, Be of good cheer; it is I; be not afraid. 28 And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water. 29 And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus. 30 But when he saw the wind boisterous, F31 he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me. 31 And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt? 32 And when they were come into the ship, the wind ceased. 33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God. To be continued.....
Part 4.....

Idea Notice that He sent the multitude away first. He did that in the previous chapter 13 right before He got ready to explain the parable of the wheat and the tares to the disciples. The reason being, the multitudes only follow Him to get their immediate needs met, ie. the fishes and the loaves, what they can touch with their hands.

Now the Word of life He received from the Father's mouth, was "Come." Peter took his eyes off Yeshua, standing above the waters below the firmament, which I already established by scripture, was heaven, in His High priestly function as intercessor between man (waters below the firmament) and G-d (waters above the firmament), and was afraid. What is not of faith is sin, and sin is dealt with by the waters below the firmament, as they represent the Word that is letter, the ministry of condemnation.

BUT, when He obeyed, as in crying out to the L-rd, which is exactly what He knew would happen, as the the letter/law could not make a man righteous, THEN, the HAND OF THE L-RD, which is Spirit, could RAISE HIM UP. This is exactly where He has placed all of us, so that when the wind, which is HaSatan comes against that which has been spoken from the Father's mouth (and he will every time because HaSatan comes IMMEDIATELY to steal the Word/breath from our hearts), we will cry out to the hand of the L-rd, which is SPIRIT, who is the lifter of our heads. Blessings.....


And they did baptise them in the Name of the Father and of the Son,
....... AND of the Holy Spirit .
The Jews and Gentiles who admit Jehovah =Yeshua their savior their one God
ever formed ,The God Son they did see and hear , will recieve the holy spirit as a gift.
1Cor 22:10 But to us, God revealed them through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.
2:11 For who among men knows the things of a man, EXCEPT THE SPIRIT
of the man, which is in him?

Even so, no one knows the things of God, except God’s Spirit.

2:12 But we received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is from God, that we might know the things that were freely given to us by God.  

John16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth: It is to your advantage that I go away, for if I don’t go away, the Counselor won’t come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you.
When he has come, he will convict the world about sin,

6:9 about sin, because they don’t believe in me....

( All do not believe... that IAM Jehovah The Son)

16:13 However when he, the Spirit of truth, has come, he will guide you into all truth, for he will not speak from himself; but whatever he hears, he will speak. He will declare to you things that are coming.  
16:14 He will glorify me, for he will take from what is mine, and will declare it to you.  1
Baptistic Wrote:

[quote=Burning Bush - post #597]For this reason, man shall not live by bread (Word that is letter) alone, but by every word (Word that is Spirit) that comes from the Father's mouth. The Word that is bread/letter mixed with the Word that is wine/Spirit, is TRUE COMMUNION, and He said to do this oft in remembrance of, or to re-member Him. What we are actually doing by following this pattern, is re-membering His body, which is SPIRIT.
See Deut. 8:3.  Jesus' quotation of it further dispels your interpretation.  Jesus was being tempted with the fact He could make His own bread, instead of waiting upon God as He fasted.  Again, Oneness mistakes Jesus' body as only human with the Father indwelling.  This is why you are going to convoluted lengths of dismiss the genuineness of the Son of man.  It is by His broken body and His shed blood that we are redeemed.  It is likewise by His bodily resurrection that we are both justified and will likewise be raised with incorruptible bodies.

Idea Again, I'm not Oneness, whatever that is. Second, I'm not going to convoluted lengths to dispel the genuineness of the Son of man. I am, however, going to great lengths to point out the WORKS of the Son of man, who already testified of Himself that He was in heaven (waters above the firmament) while He walked in shoe leather. And those same WORKS, are manifested through what He shed on the day of Pentecost, ie. the HOLY GHOST. To be continued...
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