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That the bread is the Word, is evident in scripture. And what was being dealt with in that passage of scripture was this;

1Jo 2:16 -  For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Note that HaSatan appealed to the first of those 3 (there's that witness again), the lust of the flesh, with the stones to bread. We tend to think of lust as something sexual, but lust by G-d's definition is desiring ANYTHING apart from His perfect will. It was borne witness by the day of Pentecost, that it was not G-d's perfect will that we live by bread alone (Word/letter), but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of G-d, which is SPIRIT/WINE. Yeshua was tempted in all things as we are, and HaSatan always prefers the dead letter to the living Word, because there is no life in it.

Additionally, HaSatan always prefers that we "stones", ie. stony hearts, remain bread/dead letter, as opposed to becoming living stones of a temple made without hands.

See 2 Cor. 3:18  McGee gives Siewert's translation, excepting one word, transfigured should be transformed:  "And all of us, as with unveiled face, [because we] continue to behold [in the Word of God] as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are constantly being transformed into His very own image in ever increasing splendor and from one degree of glory to another; [for this comes] from the Lord [Who is] the Spirit."  This is a description of the work of the Holy Spirit in us, sent by the Father and by the bodily risen and bodily ascended Christ.
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This does not change the meaning of the passage at all. We are changed into His image, period. Blessings....

No disagreement here, but you didn't answer my question. Blessings.....

You are attempting to argue something here that was not even an argument by virtue of what I said. And the Father manifested that reconciliation by becoming visible in the outer covering of the only begotten Son, which was His flesh man. Put another way, G-d pitched Himself a "tent" to visit us. And just as the tabernacle of Moses was temporary, so too was the flesh of the Son of man, as it was destined to be glorified, as the RISEN L-rd. Blessings.....

We don't know Christ as the Man who walked in Galilee, in His earthly ministry.  He is the risen and ascended (bodily) Lord, at the Father's right hand.  That is how we know Him, and how Paul and the others, who did know Him after the flesh, knew Him "from henceforth."  You're still denying the risen Lord rose bodily, even though Paul himself confessed it.

No, I'm not. He rose in a glorified body.

BB, this section here is especially Satanic.  It begins with a lie, and ends with blasphemy.

Really?! I did not say you were not born again, so where is the lie? But even if I had, I have seen you question the spiritual paternity of others on here, and that's ok? And what is blasphemous about what I said?

Well, do you do the whole nine yards?:  Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

As a matter of fact, yes. If you are a follower of the Lamb wheresoever He goest, spiritually speaking you will lift up serpents (the carnal minds living in the dust realm of the outer court), into the mind of Christ understanding, and if you follow Him, even if you do consume anything that produces death in the hearer (such as the letter that killeth), it shall not hurt you, because if He has cleansed your heart of the desire to kill with the sword, then you are not reaping what you have sown anymore, and the Word/letter becomes the rock/stone with the death of the law removed from it, making it a WHITE stone, and this ROCK, the risen L-rd is what you can stand on. To be continued.....

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Well, have you?  I think it's safe to say you have not and neither have any who think like you.  I know this for sure, because these are the signs given to the apostles, so that others would know their message was true.  Go to Paul's chapter on the gifts and explain then to me why he seems to think that not all are given the gift of tongues, and why he places much lower importance on them than you do.  Is the scripture inspired, or not?
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I have explained it, in several posts, but you have hardened your heart to refuse to hear. Not all have the GIFT OF TONGUES,  which is the one that has the gift of interpretation that accompanies it's use. Paul also said, not to forbid to speak in tongues, and that he spoke in tongues more than you all. If if was good enough for Paul, why is it not for you?

You have not experienced it, yet you are an authority on that which you don't have. Your witness therefore, is invalid, because according to scripture two witnesses are needed, ie. the Word AND the Spirit. The Spirit comes to perform the Word if the Word is true, and if it is activated by FAITH. This principle is why in some churches healing is manifested, because the Word about healing is being preached, and the Word is true, and they believe (faith activated) and so the Spirit comes to WITNESS, that which is true. Is the scripture inspired, or not? Blessings.....

You are really overthinking this.  All you have to do is take Jesus' word for it, that the Father and Jesus would send us the Holy Spirit.  Jesus spoke of the Holy Spirit as a distinct Person, like He spoke of the Father and of Himself.

I'm not "overthinking" anything. Revelation is not under my control.



Actually there is no glory at all in the "kingdom of darkness/death of the carnal mind", so your translation of the "glory to glory" verse is not accurate.  Please refer to the one I offered a few posts back.  

Please refer to my new post regarding this. Additionally, the ministration of condemnation, ie. Moses law, had a glory attached to it, which glory was fading away. It is this law with a glory, that is/was specifically brought to deal with the kingdom of darkness/carnal mind, to eventually give way to the greater kingdom, the mind of Christ/ the kingdom of light. To be continued...

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I'm not sure why you need to see something on the heads, as the cloven tongues like as of fire as related in scripture was apparently only at Pentecost.  The rest of the NT scripture does not tell of this, nor insist upon it as evidence of the Holy Spirit within the new believer.  But we do have scripture to affirm that those who have believed have received the Holy Spirit and that He does the baptizing, the sealing, and the sanctification work in the believer.

Because the head is where His enemy lies in wait at; the carnal mind is enmity against God and not subject to the law, neither indeed can be. It is the lawless one, which is why the HOLY FIRE comes upon it to consume it. The sons of Aaron were struck dead for trying to bring strange fire and that is exactly what is done when we try to do better through our own minds, and bypass the wisdom and pattern established by G-d. There is a way that seemeth right, but the end thereof is death.

John the Baptist said "he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire", but the Pentecost account relates the cloven tongues were like as of fire.  A case can be made that the fire John spoke of was perhaps judgment at His second coming.  It may also refer to what Peter called the "fiery trial" that believers would undergo for their faith.

And there again, is 2 of the 3 witness pattern. Inner court/baptism of the Holy Ghost, Holy of Holies/baptism of fire. It is interesting to note that the L-rd commanded the babes to rubbed down with SALT (which burns like fire) after they were washed in water, and then on the 8th day they were given a name/nature. Water cleanses, but fire sanctifies/purifies. Hmmm......To be continued.....

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So I maintain that reliance upon the sensational for proof of anything doctrinal of theological is asking for trouble, since we have a more sure word of prophecy, as Peter by the Holy Spirit said.
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Sensation relates to the senses. The Spirit has nothing to do with exciting the senses of the flesh. That which is Spirit is Spirit, that which is flesh is flesh. You have seen the excesses of the flesh in the babes obviously, and concluded wrongly that that is what the true manifestation of a Holy G-d manifesting Himself through the experience of Pentecost, is. IT IS NOT.

However, since most of us have probably had children on here, it should not be missed that all children love to splash and play in the water at bath time, really making a mess of things. We don't love them any less for their childishness, and (hopefully) don't harp on forever about what a mess they made of things. Well, man is not more righteous than G-d, and neither does He hold their unlearned foolishness against them, because they are where they are in their understanding at that moment.

So it is with the sanctification of Pentecost process. What you see of it is dependent upon the level of understanding/maturity of the walk of the individuals you are observing. Blessings....

PS. Let's look at this closely.....

19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time F4 by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

UNTIL THE DAY STAR ARISE IN YOUR HEARTS.... read my post concerning how the day star arises in our hearts.

Second, it tells you plainly that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private (read here, of the carnal mind) interpretation, for the prophecy did not not come thru the carnal minds of men (will of man) but they spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. Notice that the HG is ALWAYS involved in the SPEAKING GIFTS, as outlined in Corinthians. Blessings.....

Sorry Anja, sometimes it does