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Not ignoring you, Ripley, I just have limited time and I can't get around to all of it, at one time. Thanks for the link....BB

What am I missing? First of all, Elohim-Yisra'el is a Triunity (Genesis 1:1, 3:15; Deuteronomy 6:4-6, 18:15-22; Isaiah 43, 53; Psalm 112, John 8:58). Second, Y'shua-Hanotzri-V'melech-HaYehudim-HaBen was on earth, but didn't lose the title of YHVH-HaBen, even while not in Heaven. As HaBen-Ha'Adam and prior to the Resurrection, unless I'm wrong about this, Y'shua couldn't have been in two places at once; because in a human form, nobody can be physically in two places at once.

Third, Juan, for example, may be able to drink wine and bread; Trudy able to only drink wine, Trig to only eat bread, and Forrest to neither eat bread nor drink wine. The heart of taking communion is what is looked at (1 Samuel 16:7, Romans 14).

BB, regarding your posts #616, 618, 619, 621 through 630,

Please refer to my posts #606 through 610, and my previous responses in this thread, for my responses to this latest glut from you.

You present nothing new.  Your answers in general mix metaphors, various familiar scriptures misinterpreted and your own reasoning.  The bottom line under all that smothery language is that you place supreme importance upon tongues and have adopted a hybrid mix of interpretations to justify that.  But it simply isn't biblical.  I note you spiritualized Mark 16:17 in #625.  Yet the apostles did not.  Nope; you don't present a valid claim here.

let me ask you something.

Does one need tongues to have the holy spirit and if someone operates in different gifts but not tongues that that make them any less filled with God spirit?

It is All right BB ,I have much time ,and much more love for all my brothers ,

BB wrote :
As a matter of fact, yes. If you are a follower of the Lamb wheresoever He goest, spiritually speaking you will lift up serpents (the carnal minds living in the dust realm of the outer court), into the mind of Christ understanding, and if you follow Him, even if you do consume anything that produces death in the hearer (such as the letter that killeth), it shall not hurt you, because if He has cleansed your heart of the desire to kill with the sword, then you are not reaping what you have sown anymore, and the Word/letter becomes the rock/stone with the death of the law removed from it, making it a WHITE stone, and this ROCK, the risen L-rd is what you can stand on. To be continued.....

Amen BB

1Yoch 4:1 Beloved, don’t believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.  4:2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit who confesses that Yeshua the Messiah has come in the flesh is of God,  4:3 and every spirit who doesn’t confess that Yeshua the Messiah has come in the flesh is not of God, and this is the spirit of the Anti-messiah, of whom you have heard that it comes. Now it is in the world already.  4:4 You are of God, little children, and have overcome them; because greater is he who is in you than he who is in the world.  4:5 They are of the world. Therefore they speak of the world, and the world hears them.  4:6 We are of God. He who knows God listens to us. He who is not of God doesn’t listen to us. By this we know the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

BB wrote:

If you are a follower of the Lamb wheresoever He goest, spiritually speaking you will lift up serpents (the carnal minds living in the dust realm of the outer court), into the mind of Christ understanding, and if you follow Him, even if you do consume anything that produces death in the hearer:

Amen BB this is so true ,this is why his word come,s  a live inside us.

Yoch4:7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God, and knows God.  4:8 He who doesn’t love doesn’t know God, for God is love.  4:9 By this God’s love was revealed in us, that God has sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him.  4:10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son as the atoning sacrifice for our sins.  4:11 Beloved, if God loved us in this way, we also ought to love one another.  4:12 No one has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God remains in us, and his love has been perfected in us.


Yes BB His love has been perfected in us ,so how did he perfect us ?
4:13 By this we know that we remain in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit.

4:14 We have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son as the Savior of the world. 4:15 Whoever confesses that Yeshua is the Son of God, God remains in him, and he in God

No Sugarman, if you read my original post on another thread when someone brought up tongues, I said that it was a full 2 years after I received the baptism in the  HG, before I spoke in tongues. I also shared the reason for it was because I had no understanding on how it was to operate through me. I thought it was something that "just took you over and spoke through you", not realizing that you open your mouth and the HG fills it, and you speak what you "hear", as in what the HG speaks to you, through inspiration of the HG. Which also lines up with being both a hearer and a doer of the Word, the HG and Word being ONE.

I have not posted all of this to prove tongues, but rather to prove that there is more than the outer court experience of meeting Jesus the man (Christ in you), and that the baptism of the HG is for today. Tongues is everyone else's issue because it seems to be the only one associated with the baptism, and that is what the enemy of our souls uses to prevent people from being baptized INTO CHRIST. Blessings.....

Hi GoyofYeshua;

Note that this........Phil. 3:18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.) 20 For OUR CONVERSATION IS IN HEAVEN; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:  21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

is essentially the same thing Yeshua said to Nicodemus about where He was. We know that if this tabernacle were dissolved (this body of flesh) that we have another one, yes? We don't have to leave this one to get the other one, we ALREADY have the other one, it is the Lord Jesus Christ, who now has a many-membered glorified body which is in heaven/Spirit, if so be it we are baptized into the Spirit of Him that raised Christ Jesus from the dead, ie. the Holy Ghost.

To be absent from the body (of flesh) is to be present IN the L-rd. You didn't go anywhere, you were there all along, He never left you nor forsook you, but your understanding was darkened in that you couldn't see the kingdom.

If we are raised up into the HEAD, our conversation changes, which is why they said of Him, "never a man spake like this before." That's because a man wasn't speaking. Just as He had a physical body that was here in shoe leather, but His head was lifted up, into His true Head, the Father.

This is why the Spirit comes as the lifter of our head, ie. He lifts us up into the mind of Christ, which is OUR true Head. Then, because we have had a change of heart, out the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks, Amen? But if we do not allow Him to come as the lifter of our head, then we continue to speak out the ministry of condemnation that ministers death to the hearer, ie. the letter that killeth. To be continued.....

Part 2 continued....


What is confusing I think to some of you, is you cannot see that the Holy Spirit and the Holy Ghost are the same spirit, but one of the "diversities" thereof, in that they do different "jobs" for lack of a better word.

The first, is Christ in you, the second, is you in Christ. This is why the references are in there about people being UN-clothed (not baptized into the SPIRIT which is Christ). Being baptized into water, is NOT being baptized into the HG, which is why it's in there that some followers were approached and believed on the Lord, were baptized in water, and the disciples told them about the baptism in the HG and they were baptized AGAIN, this time in the Spirit that raised Him from the dead.

We have this "conversation out of heaven", because the baptism in the HG is what places us in heavenly places IN CHRIST JESUS. And just as our pattern Son only spoke what He heard the Father speak, through the HG, so also do we speak in the power of the HG, if so be it we have been baptized into that body.

I speak English because my father was not taught his native tongue, and so spoke English. I don't speak German because he was not German. In the same way, I speak a heavenly language because my Father is heavenly. Man does not have a child and never speak to it, and man is not more righteous than G-d, because G-d doesn't not speak to us, either, and He didn't stop speaking once He used others to write a book, else He'd be a respecter of persons, and He's not.

He said I have a baptism to be baptized with and how I am constrained (means bound) until it be accomplished. Where is He bound? In us, ie. Christ in you. How is He unbound? By the baptism of the HG, ie. you in Christ. Why is He bound in you in the first place? Because the HG does the works, the works operate through the gifts of the Spirit. That is the pattern and it cannot be broken or bypassed by the will of man.

Essentially, the HS's job is to save us, the HG's job is to take us to the cross, which is why the enemy of our soul fights it so hard, because the cross is the power of G-d, but to them that perish, foolishness.

As for your other comment, I was not talking about the pattern of the natural communion, but the pattern of the spiritual one that is the true, and it DOES deal with the heart. Blessings to you....