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Baptistic Wrote:

BB, regarding your posts #616, 618, 619, 621 through 630,

Please refer to my posts #606 through 610, and my previous responses in this thread, for my responses to this latest glut from you.

You present nothing new. Your answers in general mix metaphors, various familiar scriptures misinterpreted and your own reasoning. The bottom line under all that smothery language is that you place supreme importance upon tongues and have adopted a hybrid mix of interpretations to justify that. But it simply isn't biblical. I note you spiritualized Mark 16:17 in #625. Yet the apostles did not. Nope; you don't present a valid claim here.

Thank you for your replies Baptistic.......I can see you put a lot of thought into them, and I appreciate you taking the time to answer me at all. BB

Baptistic Wrote:

I note you spiritualized Mark 16:17 in #625. Yet the apostles did not.

Missed this part, so another PS. Yes I did spiritualize it. As Nebuchadnezzar, a type of the carnal mind has to find out, heaven/Spirit rules in the affairs of men. What the apostles did in the natural, was FIRST made life in them by the Spirit, with the Spirit giving the understanding.

What was made bread in them by taking the Word/bread mixed with the fire of the HG so that it was "baked" in them, as something coming through the fire, so as to be fit to be broken and fed to the nations. Without it, they would not have had the power to speak the Word with signs and wonders following them, and neither do we.

So what it is the difference if I tell you "Martha's part" or "Mary's"? Blessings, BB

bush about being baptize in Christ.

This happens when one truly believe and repent and water baptize is the picture of this reality.

I do not agree with holy spirit baptism with you and to see why read these links it may be long but a good read.

http://www.biblestudymanuals.net/1pet3.htm

http://www.biblestudymanuals.net/holy_sp...nd_baptism

http://www.rickross.com/reference/icc/ICC122.html

Also This site is pretty good to.

This site believe holy spirit baptize takes place when One accpet Jesus that water baptize a picture of the holy spirit baptize that one is immerse when they repent.

BUSH PLEASE FORGIVE ME.

I thought you were saying holy spirit baptize is what place you in Christ.

Please just forget the other post with those links.

I mis-understood you on that but please read The bible manual One because we do see holy spirit baptize different.

Burning Bush - post #643 Wrote:

Baptistic Wrote:

I note you spiritualized Mark 16:17 in #625. Yet the apostles did not.

Missed this part, so another PS. Yes I did spiritualize it. As Nebuchadnezzar, a type of the carnal mind has to find out, heaven/Spirit rules in the affairs of men. What the apostles did in the natural, was FIRST made life in them by the Spirit, with the Spirit giving the understanding.

What was made bread in them by taking the Word/bread mixed with the fire of the HG so that it was "baked" in them, as something coming through the fire, so as to be fit to be broken and fed to the nations. Without it, they would not have had the power to speak the Word with signs and wonders following them, and neither do we.

So what it is the difference if I tell you "Martha's part" or "Mary's"? Blessings, BB

Your challenge to me was not did I experience something spiritual, but something seen and heard (e.g., fire on head, tongues).  See your post in #567.  Without such experience, you claim I may be saved but I do not have the Holy Spirit to discern.  This claim is unscriptural.  Yet since you cannot meet the same visual/audible requirement of Mark 16:17-18, you turn around and spiritualize it.  The apostles actually did these things to show validation of their message.  You are really reaching, and are coming up with nothing valid for your position.

It is a given that the Holy Spirit empowers the believer.  But the emphasis is on what the Holy Spirit is doing, and not what the believer is doing.  So your visual/audio requirement is bogus.

It is also a given that there are powers that imitate.  And then there are imitators who think they have power going on.  I watched a man on TV last night for 15 minutes as he professionally charged his audience with gradated rhetoric, which rhetoric spoke nothing of Christ, but only of what he said he saw and was going to do for the unseen and therefore unwitnessed; wonders, in other words.  Another channel, a man doing his infomercial seed message, invoking the god of greed with entertaining religious language; not about Christ, but what $$$ they can get for themselves.

Spiritualizing the invocation of supernatural power for greedy gain.

Burning Bush Wrote:

Baptistic Wrote:

I note you spiritualized Mark 16:17 in #625. Yet the apostles did not.

Missed this part, so another PS. Yes I did spiritualize it. As Nebuchadnezzar, a type of the carnal mind has to find out, heaven/Spirit rules in the affairs of men. What the apostles did in the natural, was FIRST made life in them by the Spirit, with the Spirit giving the understanding.

What was made bread in them by taking the Word/bread mixed with the fire of the HG so that it was "baked" in them, as something coming through the fire, so as to be fit to be broken and fed to the nations. Without it, they would not have had the power to speak the Word with signs and wonders following them, and neither do we.

So what it is the difference if I tell you "Martha's part" or "Mary's"? Blessings, BB

well umm paul was bite by a snake and the natives thought he was a god beecause he did not die so I do not see how mark can be spiritualize really.

Plus it shakie ground to build doctrines base on mark 16 because it lacks being in the odlest scripts of the greek scripts.

Even The a few church fathers said them self we hold and know nothing of a greek mark 16.

BB you wrote : This is why the Spirit comes as the lifter of our head, ie. He lifts us up into the mind of Christ,

Amen brother ,for no men can finish the work inside us that god started but only holy spirit it self
we must return to him ,trust in him that
some one will come who will be able to break the seven seals ,

Yes we al here need a change of heart, out the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks, Amen?

Amen

But if we do not allow Him to come as the lifter of our head, then we continue to speak out the ministry of condemnation that ministers death to the hearer, ie. the letter that killeth. To be continued.....

Yes Religion will kill the work of holy spirit inside us ,these so called great religion leaders make them self to shepherds over his sheep .
But we already have ONE shepherd Yeshua ,go to him and he will bring you to sweet waters .
Religion is steeling his place and they fill our heart with their truth.
but the fact is scripture say that not sny man can bring truth but only holy spirit will bring you the one and only truth ,1Yoch2:26-27
As for you, the anointing which you received from him remains in you, and you don’t need for anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is no lie, and even as it taught you, you will remain in him.

We must turn our heart to God alone ,our heart must become the place were only holy spirit will do his work .
This is how we become one in Yeshua and he in us .

Behold I stand at the door and knock ,this is now brothers .
Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, then I will come in to him, and will dine with him, and he with me. 3:21 He who overcomes, I will give to him to sit down with me on my throne, as I also overcame, and sat down with my Father on his throne. 3:22 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the assemblies.”

Rev 1 ;8“I am the Alef and the Tav,*” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Baptistic Wrote:

Burning Bush - post #643 Wrote:

Baptistic Wrote:

I note you spiritualized Mark 16:17 in #625. Yet the apostles did not.

Missed this part, so another PS. Yes I did spiritualize it. As Nebuchadnezzar, a type of the carnal mind has to find out, heaven/Spirit rules in the affairs of men. What the apostles did in the natural, was FIRST made life in them by the Spirit, with the Spirit giving the understanding.

What was made bread in them by taking the Word/bread mixed with the fire of the HG so that it was "baked" in them, as something coming through the fire, so as to be fit to be broken and fed to the nations. Without it, they would not have had the power to speak the Word with signs and wonders following them, and neither do we.

So what it is the difference if I tell you "Martha's part" or "Mary's"? Blessings, BB

Your challenge to me was not did I experience something spiritual, but something seen and heard (e.g., fire on head, tongues). See your post in #567. Without such experience, you claim I may be saved but I do not have the Holy Spirit to discern. This claim is unscriptural. Yet since you cannot meet the same visual/audible requirement of Mark 16:17-18, you turn around and spiritualize it. The apostles actually did these things to show validation of their message. You are really reaching, and are coming up with nothing valid for your position.

No, I didn't say you didn't have the HS. I repeated what you yourself had said, which is that you do not have the baptism in the HG, which is a DIFFERENT ministration of the Spirit entirely, and like it or not, comes with the manifestation of speaking in other tongues as the SPIRIT gives utterance.

It activates the STILL WATER of the Spirit within the saved believer, and turns it into RUNNING WATERS, which is why the temple had a river running under it to remove the BLOOD from the sacrifices. Our soul is that living sacrifice, and the "HG begins the sanctification process of deliverance of the things of the blood of Adam (hate, malice, greed, lust, ect.). Still water stagnates over time becoming bitter, running water does not.

Further, the apostles did nothing, the HG did the works, and He is STILL doing the works, though any believer that has the foundational teaching and the faith formed in them in order to be used for service. As I said, the HG is what anoints and sets us apart for service. I have had no occasion to pick up liiteral serpents (neither did Paul, it just bit him), nor drink anything deadly literally, but I have laid hands on people (which was the type of the priests laying hands on the sacrifice) and prayed and they were healed, many times over my walk. So have others praying with me, it was not just me, and it is not unusual. To be continued.....

Baptistic Wrote:

It is a given that the Holy Spirit empowers the believer. But the emphasis is on what the Holy Spirit is doing, and not what the believer is doing. So your visual/audio requirement is bogus.

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It's not bogus, because the emphasis IS on what the HG is doing THOUGH the believer, just as it was on the day of Pentecost. It is a language of praise, which is why it magnified the glorious works of G-d among men, and is independent of the fears, doubts, and other stumbling blocks our own imperfect prayers contain. It is the river on either side (heaven AND earth) of the tree of life.

It is also a given that there are powers that imitate. And then there are imitators who think they have power going on. I watched a man on TV last night for 15 minutes as he professionally charged his audience with gradated rhetoric, which rhetoric spoke nothing of Christ, but only of what he said he saw and was going to do for the unseen and therefore unwitnessed; wonders, in other words. Another channel, a man doing his infomercial seed message, invoking the god of greed with entertaining religious language; not about Christ, but what $$$ they can get for themselves.

I don't know what you saw exactly without a better description, so it would be inappropriate of me to comment on it. I never said there were not excesses of the flesh displayed in Pentecost, nor that it is not grievous, because it IS. But sadly, this is what most see, and what gets people to "throw out the baby with the bath water."

Spiritualizing the invocation of supernatural power for greedy gain.

It's called a gainsaying spirit and I personally detest it, as I do all other things that are not of G-d. Blessings......