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Why can't you see that both are important to inherit the land and to operate in the gifts of the spirit?

In this example it is clearly not one or the other; but both.

Rom 8:14 NIV  because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.

Spirit leads but you must follow to walk in victory on this earth.
This is the proving of the Gospel. The lack of sons does not nullify the Gospel but the outworking of the spiritual realities brings assurance, manifestation and encouragement.


Baptistic why do you criticize ministries when you do not know them personally and what they do with the money. Does the Bible teach you to condemn before investigating the individuals stewardship? Were you being prophetic regarding that particular preacher you saw on tele; for I am not going to argue with G-d if that was the case!

Why do you fail to see that their is a lot of sincere believers who love giving to the L-rd's work? You see the greedy preacher but why do you fail to notice the poor widow who gives in good faith with a clean and joyful heart in Jesus Name. Does G-d not notice her insignificant gift?

The actions of Judas did not nullify the blessing upon those who gave to Yeshua's ministry! Why don't you see that? Please rejoice that Christ is preached. Please stop and shema the walk in love.

Sometimes you are very linear in your observations not recognizing partnerships and unity in the outworking of the Gospel and the taking of the promised land.

Please don't criticize every minister who shares a giving message.
I hope you are a big giver which maybe would give you some right to criticize but if you never gave sacrificial I believe it is more noble to remain silent.

peace

P.S. Brother I love 99% of your posts except when you touch money or nullify faith in G-d's manifested power and gifts which is such a blessing to the body and has been for me in His word and revelation.

Burning Bush the only criticism I have for you is maybe the insensitivity of being dragged into an argument about a deeper truth on the wrong thread.

Let me explain:

You are arguing for an outworking of a spiritual truth while Baptisitic is defending trust in Christ because of people like Wilby who try to question peoples salvation who may not yet have inner assurance or spiritual confirmation but His word. Baptisitc is making sure wilby does not get supported on the topic of the thread and can not receive what you are stating for it does not apply regarding the main context of the thread.

Baptistic and you (burning bush) are more in agreement than any of you are to Wilby and others from that fold. This thread became a trap and we let down our guard. You know very well that mormans claim tongues and what they beleive. You know a manifested devil can speak through human vocal cords and it is salvation that Baptisitic is defending from some foolish galations that require physical baptism. Now Baptisitc must understand that just because the devil can speak through a person and may try to imitate tongues does not mean that prophecy and tongues are no more and all is from the flesh.

If you two moved your debate to another thread the Holy Spirit is more likely to bless this conversation and bring you two into a deeper depth and unity than either one had before.

peace

PS I think we should all be careful to stick to the topic or else the enemy will use our nuggets against us (this was in code).

PS2 I do not consider wilby a morman but a true brother and christian be that a legalistic one. Just want to make this clear also.

I accept Mark 16, Acts 2 and Pauls snake bite as three witnesses affirming Mark 16.

Mark 16 is not the only chapter in the Tanakh that can be misinterpreted in doctrine as some have taken it out of context.

should I give you an example?

Gen 22:2 NIV  Then God said, Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains I will tell you about.

Why should I fear using the above verse for doctrine?

The truth is we must seek G-d for interpretation.

2Co 3:6 NIV He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant not of the letter but of the Spirit for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.


Christian humility is not nullifying and rejecting things we do not understand but placing it on the shelf. Be still... and wait for Him... and walk in what you have! This the L-rd blesses and multiplies!

I Just want to make one thing sure does everyone believe The holy spirit enters The Believer at the point of true confessing (repentance) and believeing?

Ok. So, you're saying that even though Jesus was here physically, he was focused on heavenly things, per what Paul described later:



So, you're saying that Baptistic misunderstood what you were saying?

But, as Baptistic seems to be noting, some are honestly and legitimately being dishonest and illegitimate; but some, like Burning Bush also noted, are doing what we don't see as what actually may be honest and legitimate ministry. Both Peter and Judah told the Church to discern.

Prowler you said :
Why do you fail to see that their is a lot of sincere believers who love giving to the L-rd's work? You see the greedy preacher but why do you fail to notice the poor widow who gives in good faith with a clean and joyful heart in Jesus Name. Does G-d not notice her insignificant gift?

Anja says : Wow ,all religion man use this manipulation to proof we need these religion leaders who build their religion tent into the tent that already exist that is Christ His body .


Yes Prowler God does notice how religion leaders behave badly and how they abuse their power over the poor sheep,s like the poor widow who do give in good faith ,and believe me God will free them all .
For our Lord loves the poor widow because he did see into her heart
that her insignificant gift was all she had to give ,this is why Yeshua will free each and every sheep who will act in faith as the poor widow did.

It is not "the gift" it self what is important but it is what lived in her heart what counts ,
This is what Yeshua did see in the poor widow ,this is what counts in God,s eyes .

We must return our Trust in God , and not in religion men

On the topic of willby prowler I think He teaching a deadly doctrine calling baptize  fulfilling all righteousness as it is a rightenouness thing we have to do for salvation. Our rightenousness can not earn salvation.


as for matthew willby taken out of context and also this.   Jesus was starting his ministry and his baptize is what started it not that it need for salvation because Jesus does not need saving.  

Yet you have not produced the exact quote, naming thread and post #.  As for the rest, as mentioned above, please review my previous answers.  Your posts are simply not persuasive, for the reasons mentioned.

What land? the Church is in Christ and does not inherit the Land.

Not sure why you're offended, unless it was you I was watching on TV.  I criticized a ministry that reduces the Bible to "If you give [to me], you'll get what you want", which is what the guy was saying in an entertaining and Christianlike way.  It's never a small number; always a huge number, way more than the average person could possibly tithe at the local church/congregation.  The ends do not justify the means, so no prophecy is involved here.  Unless you want to predict what his reward will be, or mine for not going along with it.

And lucky for you, this forum is populated for free.  Otherwise, technically, you would owe me, or at least that is what is being emphasized today in the media ministries.

I have touched no one's money.  And we are to have faith in God, not manifestations.  We are to test manifestations.

Prowler, I normally don't take personal offense as I participate in these forums, but you are in danger of being kicked out of my one-man fan club.  Do not presume to speak for me, put words in my mouth, or attempt to interpret my position for me.  You also are not the moderator of this thread, so quit trying to drive.  And please avoid using spooky language like "codes."