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sugarman - post #671 Wrote:
I agree so The holy spirit is the one that baptize us into Christ is just holy spirit baptize?

I know willby and steadfast would put water baptize as the means of salvation and not the work of the spirit that he does within.

The Holy Spirit is the only One who can baptize us into Christ.  God gives us the grace by which and the faith through which the Holy Spirit baptizes us into Christ.
Anja Andreas - post #670 Wrote:
What I see is that The temple(church) is Christ
the living temple is inside us ,Christ spirit that works in us makes us a living temple,


1 Cor. 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

The Church is not Christ.

Believers are indwelt by the Holy Spirit, and that makes individual believers the temple of God.  Our bodies belong to God.  This is the context of what Paul is saying in this chapter.

The Church is the body of Christ.  Christ is the Head of the Church.  The Church is in Christ.

In the OT, worshipers entered within a court, and only the high priest entered the holy place, not without blood.  The worshipers were not the One worshiped.

In Christ, worshipers have entered the holy place.  But worshipers are not Christ, for it is Christ alone who once offered His own blood in the true, above.
Ripley's Wrote:



Water baptism comes from our newborn heart. It's a result of it, in obedience as a proclamation (of our "new man" rising) in front of witnesses... it is not the root of our salvation.

why don't you and Sugerman maybe read scriptures instead of making up your own....

Act 2:37 Now when they heard [this], they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men [and] brethren, what shall we do? (to be saved..for clarification)

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God(Jesus) shall call.


Act 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.


Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added [unto them] about three thousand souls.


Act 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

No Trinity doctrine their at all...it all in Jesus
One God...One Spirit...One Baptism...
No Repentance and No baptism in Jesus Name....NO SALVATION

  
prophet Wrote:

Ripley's Wrote:



Water baptism comes from our newborn heart. It's a result of it, in obedience as a proclamation (of our "new man" rising) in front of witnesses... it is not the root of our salvation.

why don't you and Sugerman maybe read scriptures instead of making up your own....

Act 2:37 Now when they heard [this], they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men [and] brethren, what shall we do? (to be saved..for clarification)

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God(Jesus) shall call.


Act 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.


Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added [unto them] about three thousand souls.


Act 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

No Trinity doctrine their at all...it all in Jesus
One God...One Spirit...One Baptism...
No Repentance and No baptism in Jesus Name....NO SALVATION

  



why do not you and willlby steadfast read the scripture in there correct grammar instead of making your own grammar?


Grammar lesson for Prophet

Acts 2:38

    Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 2:38).

This is one of the favorite verses of those who believe baptism is necessary for salvation. They point out simply that it says that we must be "baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins," and since remission of sins is necessary for salvation, baptism is therefore necessary for salvation.

A careful study of the Greek grammar at this point shows that it is repentance, not baptism, which is "for the remission of sins." The Greek text reads (translated):

    You (plural) repent and be baptized each one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for (the) remission of the sins of you.

This makes it clear that "remission of your [plural] sins" is the result of "you [plural] repent[ing]," not of "each one [singular] being baptized." The command to repent is given in the plural number and second person; the command to be baptized is given in the singular number and third person; the sins remitted belong to "you" in the plural number and second person. It is therefore improper to refer "remission of sins" to "baptism" as its cause, for this would mean that each one was baptized for the remission of the sins of all those present.

To take baptism here as causing the remission of sins would be to make the text say, "Let him be baptized for the remission of all your sins," and "Let him (another) be baptized for the remission of all your sins," and "Let him (yet another) be baptized for the remission of all your sins," and so on to each person in the group. Thus, each one would be baptized for the remission of the sins of all the people in the group.

But the grammar instead is quite clear. Remission is the result of repentance, not of baptism. You repent and your sins will be remitted. You all repent and the sins of all you will be remitted. Acts 2:38, therefore, does not teach the necessity of baptism for salvation.



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Baptistic Wrote:

[quote=Anja Andreas - post #670]What I see is that The temple(church) is Christ
the living temple is inside us ,Christ spirit that works in us makes us a living temple,


1 Cor. 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

The Church is not Christ.

Anja says : Wrong Brother for the body and the head are one body !
A head is On the body not some were apart a head but ON the body .
So the body and the head are completed into one.
When men and angels , see us they see Christ who lives inside his children through his spirit.

you say : Believers are indwelt by the Holy Spirit, and that makes individual believers the temple of God.
Anja says; Amen Broter ,

 You say: Our bodies belong to God.
Anja says : Amen ,more we are Christ,s

You say : This is the context of what Paul is saying in this chapter.

The Church is the body of Christ.  Christ is the Head of the Church.  The Church is in Christ.
anja says : and Christ is a live in us through his spirit .

You say : In the OT, worshipers entered within a court, and only the high priest entered the holy place, not without blood.  The worshipers were not the One worshiped.

Anja says Tounguelease do read all scriptures so this great secret may be revealed to you by holy spirit .
Rev 3:3:7 “To the angel of the assembly in Philadelphia write:

“He who is holy, he who is true, he who has the key of David, he who opens and no one can shut, and who shuts and no one opens, says these things:

3:8 “I know your works (behold, I have set before you an open door, which no one can shut), that you have a little power, and kept my word, and didn’t deny my name.

3:9 "Behold, I give of the synagogue of Satan, of those who say they are Jews, and they are not, but lie.

.....Behold, I will make them to come "and Worship before Your Feet"........
               and to know that I have loved you. "!


3:10 Because you kept my command to endure, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, which is to come on the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. 3:11 I am coming quickly! Hold firmly that which you have, so that no one takes your crown. 3:12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will go out from there no more. I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from my God, and my own new name. 3:13 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the assemblies.

2)You say : In Christ, worshipers have entered the holy place.
But worshipers are not Christ, for it is Christ alone who once offered His own blood in the true, above

Anja says : Wrong brother for we are counted as sheep for the slaughter,as Messiah is.

Yoch Ro 8:36 Even as it is written, “For your sake we are killed all day long. We were accounted as sheep for the slaughter.”
Psalm 44:22 Yes, for your sake we are killed all day long.
    
"Are We regarded as sheep for the slaughter "?

Please do read Lev 16:,6,8,9,15
What do these verses say brother ?
Read and let holy spirit open your spiritual eyes,Idea
For if the scripture says we are account as sheep for the slaughter what are we ?
Read on brother read but as you read revelation remember what is in the prophecy in Lev 16:15 “Then he shall kill the goat of the sin offering, that is for the people, and bring his blood within the veil, and do with his blood as he did with the blood of the bull, and sprinkle it on the mercy seat, and before the mercy seat:  16:16 and he shall make atonement for the Holy Place, because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel....

Ask your self brother will you be count as a sheep for the slaughter ,give up your own live to safe your brothers ?

Rev 10;8-11  10:7 but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, then the mystery of God is finished, as he declared to his servants, the prophets.  10:8 The voice which I heard from heaven, again speaking with me, said, “Go, take the book which is open in the hand of the angel who stands on the sea and on the land.”

10:9 I went to the angel, telling him to give me the little book.

He said to me, “Take it, and eat it up. It will make your stomach bitter, but in your mouth it will be as sweet as honey.”

10:10 I took the little book out of the angel’s hand, and ate it up. It was as sweet as honey in my mouth. When I had eaten it, my stomach was made bitter. 10:11 They told me, “You must prophesy again over many peoples, nations, languages, and kings.”

Remember god says You are account as sheep for the slaughter.

11:1 A reed like a rod was given to me. Someone said, “Rise, and measure God’s temple, and the altar,Leave out the court which is "Out side" of the temple, and "Don,t Measure it ", for it has been given to the nations.
They will tread the holy city under foot for forty-two months.(3 and a half year)

11:3 I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.” (3 and a half year) 11:4 These are the two olive trees and the two menorahs, standing before the Lord of the earth.
Funny how so many turn to modern day interpreters of scripture for the meaning of baptism.  Why not turn to the early church to see what was believed about baptism? The early church fathers who wrote on baptism were unanimous in there beliefs about the regenerative nature of baptism.  So much so that at the ecumenical council of Nicea, the Nicene Creed was updated to include the phrase "we believe in one baptism for the remission of sins".  This teaching went undisputed until after the reformation.  No person prior to the reformation ever wrote an opposition to this understanding of baptism.  We can all search and search the internet until we find some "expert" with whom we agree.  But what do those martyrs of the early church, those closest to the Apostles have to say?
Anja Andreas - post #677 Wrote:
Baptistic Wrote:
The Church is not Christ.
Anja says : Wrong Brother for the body and the head are one body !
We need to take all of scripture in context.  We are not like God.  That would be Satan's ploy.  We are in Christ; the Church is the body of Christ; Christ is the Head of the Church.  We are not Christ.  

Anja Andreas - post #677 Wrote:
Anja says Tounguelease do read all scriptures so this great secret may be revealed to you by holy spirit .
Rev. 3:9 ... I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

This is not the worship of deity.  I believe the key to this passage is "...and to know that I have loved thee."  From God's perspective, the genuine Jew is a Jew who believes on Jesus, and those Jews who formerly persecuted the Jewish believers in Jesus will then take a very humble posture and attitude before those whom they formerly persecuted, as promised by the Lord Jesus Christ.

Revelation 3:9 - Parallel Bible
Anja Andreas - post #678 Wrote:

2)You say : In Christ, worshipers have entered the holy place.
But worshipers are not Christ, for it is Christ alone who once offered His own blood in the true, above

Anja says : Wrong brother for we are counted as sheep for the slaughter,as Messiah is.  [...]  Leviticus 16:15-16

Ask your self brother will you be count as a sheep for the slaughter ,give up your own live to safe your brothers ?
Anja, you have the horns of a lamb but speak as a dragon.  You err to call me brother.

There is a difference between Christ shedding His blood for the sin of mankind (His blood is what is on the mercy seat in heaven) and martyrs who are killed for believing on Jesus Christ.  Man cannot redeem himself from sin by shedding man's blood, and a man's blood would never have been sprinkled on the mercy seat in the OT tabernacle/temple.  Christ is that offering.  The Church, which Christ bought with His own blood (Acts 20:28), is not Christ.
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