prophet said:
why don't you and Sugerman maybe read scriptures instead of making up your own....
Why don't you take ALL OF SCRIPTURE and digest it instead of snacking on Acts 2 only.
All over in the HT/OT and GT/NT is faith and THEN demonstration/outworking of that faith; obedience. Patriarchs to Apostles.
Perhaps just any old baptism is not enough, and even in Jesus' name (which exact dialect btw?, Jesus? Yeshua? Jesus in Spanish? Ieosus?) don't want to
get it wrong), maybe we need to wear robes and get baptized in rivers only. You know, God's natural "fresh" water, not man's chemical-filled water, not in a tub somewhere. Some exact words for my confession too?
How far are you willing to take your legalism, prophet?
By submitting to the will of God, we became a dwelling place for God, we all become bearer,s of Christ inside us and together as His Body we are the Temple(the church) in which holy spirit dwells .
God the Son , the framer and sustainer of all of creation, takes up residence in us when we submit to His will and receive His grace. God within us!
No wonder “all the powers of Heaven stand amazed!”
There for let us “commit ourselves and each other and all our life unto
The Son Yeshua Messiah (Christ ) who is our God Jehovah ...
Holy is his name ,” that we, too, might become living temples of God.
Ask your self brother will you be count as a sheep for the slaughter ,give up your own live to safe your brothers ?[/quote]
Anja, you have the horns of a lamb but speak as a dragon. You err to call me brother.
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Dear Brother I keep calling you dear brother for we need to love all Yeshua says .
Not I am telling you the truth but Christ in me .
The carnal mind can not comprehend the spiritual mind .
So please go a head call me any thing you like ,for this is what Christ already tooled us they would do to his seed ,but
god still love,s you as i will to.
God will reveal his truth to who he chose to do so .
Rev11:7 When they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up out of the abyss will make war with them, and overcome them, and kill them.
11:8 Their dead bodies will be in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.
Again :Ask your self brother will you be count as a sheep for the slaughter?
Again :Ask your self brother will you be count as a sheep for the slaughter?
Anja you do not understand Php 1:29 nor are you are minister according to the order of Malchizadek. To know His suffering is to know resurrection power and what He did and took on our behalf.
You have many posts that would place you in the Christian fold but you have entered through a back door if you do not believe that Yeshua was from Eternity and was always Eternal.
Have you suffered so much for nothing?
The G-d of Israel heals!
The G-d of Israel delivers!
The G-d of Israel prospers his people!
And I testify that the G-d of Israel has shown himself to be great and mighty in my life in all those areas and more!
There is only one area where we may suffer even onto death and that is physical persecution... and as far as I know I am not aware of you living in Iran.
Funny how so many turn to modern day interpreters of scripture for the meaning of baptism. Why not turn to the early church to see what was believed about baptism? The early church fathers who wrote on baptism were unanimous in there beliefs about the regenerative nature of baptism. So much so that at the ecumenical council of Nicea, the Nicene Creed was updated to include the phrase "we believe in one baptism for the remission of sins". This teaching went undisputed until after the reformation. No person prior to the reformation ever wrote an opposition to this understanding of baptism. We can all search and search the internet until we find some "expert" with whom we agree. But what do those martyrs of the early church, those closest to the Apostles have to say?
are you aware it was a practice to delay baptism for about 2-3 years for the new convert until he He learn the scriptures and to see if his faith is real?
This practice dates to 100ad
Funny how so many turn to modern day interpreters of scripture for the meaning of baptism. Why not turn to the early church to see what was believed about baptism? The early church fathers who wrote on baptism were unanimous in there beliefs about the regenerative nature of baptism. So much so that at the ecumenical council of Nicea, the Nicene Creed was updated to include the phrase "we believe in one baptism for the remission of sins". This teaching went undisputed until after the reformation. No person prior to the reformation ever wrote an opposition to this understanding of baptism. We can all search and search the internet until we find some "expert" with whom we agree. But what do those martyrs of the early church, those closest to the Apostles have to say?
Not true The Nt prove with the correct grammar for acts 2:28 an others that bapitsm does not save.
Funny how so many turn to modern day interpreters of scripture for the meaning of baptism. Why not turn to the early church to see what was believed about baptism? The early church fathers who wrote on baptism were unanimous in there beliefs about the regenerative nature of baptism. So much so that at the ecumenical council of Nicea, the Nicene Creed was updated to include the phrase "we believe in one baptism for the remission of sins". This teaching went undisputed until after the reformation. No person prior to the reformation ever wrote an opposition to this understanding of baptism. We can all search and search the internet until we find some "expert" with whom we agree. But what do those martyrs of the early church, those closest to the Apostles have to say?
Also, compare Eerdman's "Handbook to the History of Christianity", (Tim Dowley Organizing Ed. Consulting Editors Briggs, Wright, & Linder. Copyright 1997 Lion Publishing. England. Reprinted 1987 by Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Co. of G.R., Mich.; Library of Congress: BR146.E35 270 77.5616 ISBN 0-8028=3450-7]:
[pp. 9-10]: Baptism originally time of giving witness to faith, entrance to local church identifying with Christ, considerable preparation was necessary first. Often 3 years!
[p. 11]: Easter was popular time for baptizing in early church after a period of instruction.
[p. 115-116]: Instructions before baptism which took 3 years. Hyppolytus of Rome. Includes statement from Justin: baptizees must believe what was taught them to be true first.
[p. 125]: "At first when a person was baptized he or she affirmed a creed which was concerned mainly with statements about Christ..."
[p. 198]: Augustine's Confession, his baptism was delayed not right at belief.]
Again :Ask your self brother will you be count as a sheep for the slaughter?
Not to save others, for I cannot do that. Neither can any other believer who is
in Christ.
Again:
There is a difference between Christ shedding His blood for the sin of mankind (His blood is what is on the mercy seat in heaven) and martyrs who are killed for believing on Jesus Christ. Man cannot redeem himself from sin by shedding man's blood, and a man's blood would never have been sprinkled on the mercy seat in the OT tabernacle/temple. Christ is that offering. The Church, which Christ bought with His own blood (Acts 20:28), is not Christ.
See?
Sugarman said:
I agree so The holy spirit is the one that baptize us into Christ is just holy spirit baptize?
I know willby and steadfast would put water baptize as the means of salvation and not the work of the spirit that he does within.
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Maybe Sugerman missed that scripture and the rest of you who think baptism isn't necessary...
that Jesus Himself was bapisedBEFORE[size=medium]the Holy Spirit dove decended on Him ...
guess you missed that part or maybe that scriptrur that says go into all the worlld baptizing...or that evryone in the book fo Acts was baptized including Paul.
now if you don't like the grammer of the KJV then make it up as you go along as you usuelly do...everyone else on here is ok with KJV and the scripture is quoted as written nothing added or taken away unlike you who likes to "clarify" scripture that doesn't agree with your belief.
Ripley...Holy Spirit is the Father aka Jesus in Spirit form in ther created man Jesus(created lower than the angels) the Holy Ghost is Jesus in Spirit Form the Ghost he gave up on the cross which is Holy.
Jesus is the visible maifestation of the Father. HE ALONE IS GOD.
as has been stated by me,Wilby and Stedfast there is no trintiy Just one God....Jesus.
"Hear O isreal, the Lord our God is ONE LORD"
Thomas said it best of Jesus..."my Lord and my God"
Dear prowler :
you wrote :You have many posts that would place you in the Christian fold but you have entered through a back door if you do not believe that Yeshua was from Eternity and was always Eternal.
anja says :The only backdoor i see is the one you keep pointing to your Pentecost Church.
As Yeshua did warn us already in Yoch 10:1 “Most certainly, I tell you, one who doesn’t enter by the door into the sheep fold, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
Religion men want to be called shepherd they come as a robber to steel the sheep away .
10:2 But one who enters in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
I have a shepherd "Yeshua "!
10:3 The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name, and leads them out.
10:4 Whenever he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. 10:5 They will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him; for they don’t know the voice of strangers.” 10:6 Yeshua spoke this parable to them, but they didn’t understand what he was telling them.
10:7 Yeshua therefore said to them again, “Most certainly, I tell you, I am the sheep’s door. 10:8 All who came before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep didn’t listen to them. 10:9 I am the door. If anyone enters in by me, he will be saved, and will go in and go out, and will find pasture. 10:10 The thief only comes to steal, kill, and destroy. I came that they may have life, and may have it abundantly. 10:11 I am the good shepherd.* The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. 10:12 He who is a hired hand, and not a shepherd, who doesn’t own the sheep, sees the wolf coming, leaves the sheep, and flees. The wolf snatches the sheep, and scatters them. 10:13 The hired hand flees because he is a hired hand, and doesn’t care for the sheep. 10:14 I am the good shepherd. I know my own, and I’m known by my own; 10:15 even as the Father knows me, and I know the Father. I lay down my life for the sheep.