Now ask youself; what are the new and better things?
The blood of the Perfect Lamb. Not having to be done every year as in the "old days"... but once and for all.
The O.T. salvation is GREAT and eternal but the new has better things for those who make it.
There is only one plan of salvation, always has been, it hasn't changed. Since it was first told in Gen 3:15, and throughout the OT. And, frankly,
baptism wasn't mentioned. Blood is our covering/atonement, not water.
Well Jesus was baptized in water.....Eunuch was baptized in water,Cornelieus' household was baptized in water,John's disciples were rebaptized in water(in Jesus Name)...if you aren't buried with Christ in baptism you aren't any of His
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ
Jesus gave the commandment to be baptized in 28:19(on which your whole trinity doctrine hinges on) and Peter gave the Name that was referred to in 28:19 the Holy Ghost speaking through him.
P.s. buried is a covered body(as in under water) not sprinkled on
I ASK THE question to prophet to.
if baptism is a figure of what saves us then that proves it does not literal saves us. if it literal then it will save us.
But by scripture how does peter put baptism literal or figure of what saves us?
read 33-36 wilby
it seems you have a hard time knowing the different from figure and literal
Now ask youself; what are the new and better things?
The blood of the Perfect Lamb. Not having to be done every year as in the "old days"... but once and for all.
The O.T. salvation is GREAT and eternal but the new has better things for those who make it.
There is only one plan of salvation, always has been, it hasn't changed. Since it was first told in Gen 3:15, and throughout the OT. And, frankly,
baptism wasn't mentioned. Blood is our covering/atonement, not water.
Well Jesus was baptized in water.....Eunuch was baptized in water,Cornelieus' household was baptized in water,John's disciples were rebaptized in water(in Jesus Name)...if you aren't buried with Christ in baptism you aren't any of His
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ
Jesus gave the commandment to be baptized in 28:19(on which your whole trinity doctrine hinges on) and Peter gave the Name that was referred to in 28:19 the Holy Ghost speaking through him.
P.s. buried is a covered body(as in under water) not sprinkled on
I ASK THE question to prophet to.
if baptism is a figure of what saves us then that proves it does not literal saves us. if it literal then it will save us.
But by scripture how does peter put baptism literal or figure of what saves us?
Go ask your mother surgarman, when she tucks you in at night. Your waisting our time here.
The blood of the Perfect Lamb. Not having to be done every year as in the "old days"... but once and for all.
Which is also why we don't need (and don't have) an earthly High Priest. His function was to go on behalf of the people to the Holy of Holies, once a year, to make atonement.
Jesus Christ is our only High Priest, forever and ever, in the true Holy of Holies, not your false prophet. I suggest you read Hebrews 8.
A false priest, a different Jesus, and another gospel.
It all speaks for itself.
Now ask youself; what are the new and better things?
The blood of the Perfect Lamb. Not having to be done every year as in the "old days"... but once and for all.
The O.T. salvation is GREAT and eternal but the new has better things for those who make it.
There is only one plan of salvation, always has been, it hasn't changed. Since it was first told in Gen 3:15, and throughout the OT. And, frankly,
baptism wasn't mentioned. Blood is our covering/atonement, not water.
Well Jesus was baptized in water.....Eunuch was baptized in water,Cornelieus' household was baptized in water,John's disciples were rebaptized in water(in Jesus Name)...if you aren't buried with Christ in baptism you aren't any of His
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ
Jesus gave the commandment to be baptized in 28:19(on which your whole trinity doctrine hinges on) and Peter gave the Name that was referred to in 28:19 the Holy Ghost speaking through him.
P.s. buried is a covered body(as in under water) not sprinkled on
I ASK THE question to prophet to.
if baptism is a figure of what saves us then that proves it does not literal saves us. if it literal then it will save us.
But by scripture how does peter put baptism literal or figure of what saves us?
Go ask your mother surgarman, when she tucks you in at night. Your waisting our time here.
now you are throwing personal attacks any more of this you will be reported.
why can you not easy the simple question if you are so wise?
Baptism in the name of Jesus is a new birth.
We must be reborn. When we were in our mothers womb we were surrounded by water. Baptism is being born again. Then we receive the spirit of Christ.
Except a man be born again of the water and the spirit he can not enter into His Kingdom.
When we are reborn into His family we receive His name and all the blessing of being in His family.
Rebirth without the curse.
Simple explanation for getting baptized.
willby you need to learn that I already dealth with this passage.
jesus is dealing with two different births not one and the same.
Our spirit needs to be born again the water is when we are born physical.
two different births
Sugarman you are far to young and inexperienced to challenge me. Try to learn something new. You are waisting my time and I will not continue to deal with your preconcieve religious beliefs showing that you are trapped, by some pastor that has lied to you.
http://www.eliyah.com/cgi-bin/strongs.cg...ex=baptism
where what baptism means in greek. see if you can find any literal view of it in the greek that it saves you.
If your going to reply be mature and stick to the subject not trying to dimish or boast over some else thinking your smarter.
The bottom line is baptism is a figure its represents Our belief and loyalty to Christ. The literal change is when we believe onto Christ when we believe we sealed right then as 1 eph 1:13 says. baptism is the FIGURE of this belief and does not literal save us!
Here's a few scriptures from Paul in Romans 3 (no mention of baptism):
"Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe"
"Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, [I say], at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus."
Finally, he says:
"Where [is] boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."-all emphasis mine-
Where is YOUR boasting then, you who promote some "new law"? It is excluded.
Paul didn't baptize very much either, as we see here (all from 1 Cor. 1):
"For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel:"
"For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. "
"For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe."
-again, emphasis mine-
If baptism IS the gospel (good news of salvation) then why didn't Paul do it? He says he only baptized a VERY FEW, and lists them. But he preached A LOT! Was he wrong?
"For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:"
And Wilby and prophet require a work.
"But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;"
And unto Wilby and prophet insufficient, they have to add to His work.
Paul wrote this too in Ephesians 2:
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."
-emphasis mine-
Not "by good works", or "because of good works"... but "UNTO good works". Not "saved by them", but "walk in them".
Go ahead and boast about your baptism. I will boast in the finished work of my LORD, Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and God the Son, on the cross that atones/covers my sin, and yours if you accept it.
If baptism IS the gospel (good news of salvation) then why didn't Paul do it? He says he only baptized a VERY FEW, and lists them. But he preached A LOT! Was he wrong?
"For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:"
And Wilby and prophet require a work.
"But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;"
And unto Wilby and prophet insufficient, they have to add to His work.
Paul wrote this too in Ephesians 2:
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."
-emphasis mine-
Not "by good works", or "because of good works"... but "UNTO good works". Not "saved by them", but "walk in them".
Go ahead and boast about your baptism. I will boast in the finished work of my LORD, Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and God the Son, on the cross that atones/covers my sin, and yours if you accept it.
Will you make up your mind....
You say baptise in Father SOn Holy GHost because Jesus commanded it...then you say not required because Paul didn't do it except in a few cases....Peter commands it in 2:38 but you say we should ignore it...all those including Jesus Himself got wet for nothing?...
You can boast all you want but if you haven't been buried with Jesus in baptism(AS PAUL SAYS) then you aren't any of His....Yes Jesus finished it on the cross...but we still have to be symbolically washed in the blood through baptism in water....That's God's command not mine.
As for adding....please show me the scripture where the Holy Ghost or the Father are ever referred to as persons or God is referred to as a person(outside of Jesus)....takes more faith to believe as you do than as Wilby and I do...we at least have scripture....you have Zero ...for references to Triune,Trinity...Three in one...3 persons or any reference to person hood prriod...your belief is all conjecture....or in Sugarman's case change scripture as written to fit trinity doctrine...