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Just wondering Prophet, how you reconcile what David said about and "the Lord said unto my Lord"? Blessings....

So prowler
lI have a dear friend who left the pentecostal church and he did warn me ,as i warn all for the Jehovah witness Organisation

Listen to the words of your only shepherd brother :
10:9 I am the door. If anyone enters in " BY ME" , he will be saved, and will go in and go out, and will find pasture.
See Yeshua says if any one enters "By Me"!
Not by your so called religion spiritual teachers can make me enter
But the door is putting your trust On your One Shepherd and he will open the door when we knock
But only through Christ we can enter.

For Yeshua says :10:10 The thief only comes to steal, kill, and destroy.

Maybe Sugerman missed that scripture and the rest of  you who think baptism isn't necessary...

that Jesus Himself was bapisedBEFORE[size=medium]the Holy Spirit  dove decended on Him ...

guess you missed that part or maybe that scriptrur that says go into all the worlld baptizing...or that evryone in the book fo Acts was baptized including Paul.

now if you don't like the grammer of the KJV then make it up as you go along as you usuelly do...everyone else on here is ok with KJV and the scripture is quoted as written nothing added or taken away unlike you who likes to "clarify" scripture that doesn't agree with your belief.

Ripley...Holy Spirit is the Father aka Jesus in Spirit form in ther created man Jesus(created lower than the angels) the Holy Ghost is Jesus in Spirit Form the Ghost he gave up on the cross which is Holy.
Jesus is the visible maifestation of the Father. HE ALONE IS GOD.
as has been stated by me,Wilby and Stedfast there is no trintiy Just one God....Jesus.

"Hear O isreal, the Lord our God is ONE LORD"
Thomas said it best of Jesus..."my Lord and my God"      
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prophet I sue the KJV that may be a shock for you.


Jesus always had The holy spirit at baptism it was The Holy spirit manifesting  it self upond Jesus for all to see with there eyes.

now if you don't like the grammer of the KJV then make it up as you go along as you usuelly do...everyone else on here is ok with KJV and the scripture is quoted as written nothing added or taken away unlike you who likes to "clarify" scripture that doesn't agree with your belief.


Hear O isreal, the Lord our God is ONE LORD"
Thomas said it best of Jesus..."my Lord and my God"  



prophet better   re-think your beleif here is a literal translation of deut 6:4 from the hebrew.


"Hear, O Israel: Jehovah [singular] our Gods [plural] is Jehovah ECHAD [echad--a unity]

Does the Hebrew really say "our Gods" (plural)?  It does.  The Hebrew plural for "our Gods" is ELOHENU, from ELOHIM which is the plural of ELOAH. Just as IM is the Hebrew plural in words like seraphin, and cherubim, so is ENU the plural possessive pronoun-suffix denoting things which belong to us, as for instance ABBOTHENU (our fathers) in Numbers 20:15, and PESHA'ENU (our transgressions) and AVONOTHENU (our iniquites) in Isaiah 53:5.  So Deuteronomy 6:4 does indeed say, "Jehovah our Gods."



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as for making up my own grammar if this is true it should not be hard for you to prove it.

No problem....Shema word for word

Shema yisrael Adonai eloheinu Adonai echad. ve'ahavta et Adonai
eloheyka bekhol-levavkha u'vekhol nafshekha u'vekhol me'odekha.
ve'heyu hadevarim ha'eileh asher anokhi metzavekha
haiyom al-levavekha u'vshakhbekh u'vkumekha. u'kshartam le'ot
al yadekha vehayu letotafot bein u'khtavtam al-mezuzot beitekha
u'visharekha.

HEAR, O ISRAEL: The Lord our God, the LORD is one. You shall love the
LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your misht. And these words that I command you today shall be on your
heart. You shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house,and when you walk by the way, and
when you lie down,and when you rise. You shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes. You shall
write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates.

Better check your Hebrew old friend...it says God singular always has always will.

ONE LORD.....ONE God....JESUS...oh yeah ONE PERSON.    

Maybe Sugerman missed that scripture and the rest of  you who think baptism isn't necessary...

that Jesus Himself was bapisedBEFORE[size=medium]the Holy Spirit  dove decended on Him ...

guess you missed that part or maybe that scriptrur that says go into all the worlld baptizing...or that evryone in the book fo Acts was baptized including Paul.

now if you don't like the grammer of the KJV then make it up as you go along as you usuelly do...everyone else on here is ok with KJV and the scripture is quoted as written nothing added or taken away unlike you who likes to "clarify" scripture that doesn't agree with your belief.

Ripley...Holy Spirit is the Father aka Jesus in Spirit form in ther created man Jesus(created lower than the angels) the Holy Ghost is Jesus in Spirit Form the Ghost he gave up on the cross which is Holy.
Jesus is the visible maifestation of the Father. HE ALONE IS GOD.
as has been stated by me,Wilby and Stedfast there is no trintiy Just one God....Jesus.

"Hear O isreal, the Lord our God is ONE LORD"
Thomas said it best of Jesus..."my Lord and my God"      
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Another problem with this view is Onness believe jesus Humanity is the one praying  to The divine side.


The problem comes if jesus is all 3 then we have Jesus His human part praying to His own divine side who is jesus in spirit.


You may put his human side is lower then the divide side but still with you view we have a lesser jesus in flesh then his divine side who is The Greater jesus in the spirit.


If you believe jesus is The father then there no way around this and that your in error.

sorry check post 695


The Text has it being singular as being One God but One in a unity prophet.




look up what echad means it means to collect together.



I will post this part of that site.



They well knew the difference between ECHAD (a plural unity) and the other word, which denotes a single unity.  As already mentioned, ECHAD is from the root ACHAD which means to collect together; and to this day ACHAD retains that meaning; for a Hebrew dictionary recently published (1949) in the new State of Israel gives the English equivalent of MU'ACHAD as "collective.


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also it seems you have a hard time understanding on How singular in deut is being use 6:4.


read this text more close



Hear, O Israel: Jehovah [singular] our Gods [plural] is Jehovah ECHAD [echad--a unity].


from this site


Now look at that Hebrew word, ECHAD: "Jehovah our Gods is Jehovah ECHAD." Admittedly it is right to translate it as "Jehovah our Gods is ONE Jehovah," so long as we understand that ECHAD means "one" collectively or unitedly, not one as an absolute digit.  That adjective, ECHAD, derives from ACHAD which means to unify or to collect together.   On looking it up in the Old Testament, I find that it occurs well over SIX HUNDRED TIMES, so we easily can ascertain its common use and meaning.  The Hebrew language has an alternative word for "one," i.e., YACHID (feminine, YACHIDA) which does not often occur in our Old Testament but is the word used whenever an only one is meant, or a single unit, as when Isaac is called Abraham's "only son," and Jephthah's daughter his "only daughter."  Even that word can and sometimes does mean a kind of group one, though more loosely than ECHAd.  Its main emphasis is that of a single enitity; and presumably that is the word that would have been used in Deuteronomy 6:4 if a mathematical oneness of God had been meant.


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