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It's always nice to see people who don't speak the language try to tell
those of us who do how wrong we are. Typical of most gentiles and more so of triniarians who don't know the language.

god is Elohim...One God Jesus(singular) father son and holy ghost in relationship to man(plural).   You guys love to say Elohim is plural when in actrual fact it is SINGULAR PLURAL ...there is a difference and it denotes God singular NOT Gods...

Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the LORD is one.  
"To Us" there is but One God .
1Cor 8:6 Yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for him; and one Lord, Yeshua the Messiah, through whom are all things, and we live through him.

Anja says: The above is the culmination and complete definition of the one God who we should recognize as (our God, our maker, and our Father). In this verse God Eternal is not mentioned only His Son "The Word" is being defined.
Yeshua says : "All things " have been delivered unto me "by my Father "
No one know the Father except The son.
Mt 11:27 All things have been delivered to me by my Father. No one knows the Son, except the Father; neither does anyone know the Father, except the Son, and he to whom the Son desires to reveal him.  

They that seek Jehovah understand all things.

Pr 28:5  Evil men understand not justice; But They that seek Jehovah understand all things .
Anja says : What does this mean (they that seek Jehovah understand all things)? Does not all of Christianity claim to know Jehovah? Does not all of Christianity claim to follow Jesus? The answer is yes but it becomes obvious that their are many forms and definitions concerning who Jehovah is and who Jesus is and was before the son of God came to earth.
It is also obvious that to understand who Jehovah was and who Jesus was and is becomes the primary concern in Gods first commandment.

Thou shalt have no other God,s before me

Ex 20:3  Thou shalt have n other Gods before me
De 5:7  Thou shalt have no other Gods before me.
If all of Christianity has the understanding of whom Jehovah is and his relationship to Jesus wrong then they in turn has not obeyed this first commandment (They shalt have no other Gods before me) once understood by the twelve apostles.
Jehovah, Thy Redeemer.
Isa 44:24 Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer,and he who formed you from the womb:“I am the LORD, who makes "all things";who alone stretches out the heavens; who spreads out the earth myself;  
Anja says : It has been very clear up to now that ("all "things ) were made by him ; (The Word The Son of God) not by God Eternal.
If you consider what the verse above says in the light of Gods truth it becomes obvious that the God named (Jehovah) was God the Son who created all things not his Father .
I have given ample proof that (Our God) is The Son of God as so willed by his father and former God Eternal.
Only God can reveal this truth to who he will as the verse says "to whomsoever the Son willeth to reveal him".
I can only proclaim that which God The Son has revealed to me being the first fruits in these end times to understand the truth of this matter.
When the time comes you (his children)will reach to God and he will reveal himself to those who by faith have been, chosen and sealed, and begin to return back into Our Gods care.

Prophet do you have a problem with the hebrew?


Hear, O Israel: Jehovah [singular] our GODS [plural] is Jehovah ECHAD [echad--a unity].


First of all it not plural in t he way of the relationship with man read the text OUR GODS is One  JEHOVAH


your really trying to make up your own hebrew.


Also get a hebrew lexicon echad means to COLLECT to  put all together.



God is singular in the fact He is One Echad (unity)


t's always nice to see people who don't speak the language try to tell
those of us who do how wrong we are. Typical of most gentiles and more so of triniarians who don't know the language.



Prophet there is a big different from knowing how to speak the language then understand what the words means.

Hear, O Israel: Jehovah [singular] our Gods [plural] is Jehovah ECHAD [echad--a unity].



I love how you try to switch the text around  prophet and try to say this verse is talking about God relationship with human Kind when infact it talking NOTHING of that.



Do you not see this part in the text our Gods?


Echad means One but One being a unity to collect to  put all together as the hebrew lexicon says.


Yachid is the word that denotes a singular being.




Also prophet from hebrew4christians



Yachid or Echad?



It should be noted that Maimonides substituted the term yachid for echad in describing the oneness of God. The word echad suggests a compound unity which is actually used in the Shema: “Hear O Israel, the LORD our God is One.” This bias against the Triune nature of the One True God as revealed in Scripture has led to question-begging Rabbinic theology regarding the revelation of Yeshua as YHVH come in the flesh.


http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Scriptu...achid.html

Correct. And that along with the "unity/echad" not "singular/yachid" also gives us a clue to who God is: singular and at the same time plural.

Your god does not fit that description. Your god is a changing god, when YHWH says He is unchanging. Not to mention the language Jesus uses of the Father (possessive, not third person reference to self).

Now, Anja will give you a bunch of scriptures that show Jesus is God, and separate from the Father (correctly so)...but she holds to a two-god format. Which is against the Shema.

Reconcile scripture, don't hack it up. It's all one singular message (echad, if you will) from Gen to Rev...from "let us make man in our image" (plurality) to Jesus at the right hand of the Father, our High Priest before the Father, and our Mediator between us and the Father (all plural, two separate persons). And yet, YHWH Himself, also.

Anja Andreas


It seems you need to read genesis again.



It says God Created the heaven and earth Jesus is not a lesser god he is The GOD he is the almighty.


Jesus did not have a beginning read micha 5:2 it talking about the messiah a ruler who will come forth who is from everlasting.



begotten is not the same as being Made.



God said  I'm the alpha and omeage in the Old testament jesus declares the same title for himself also.

do you even understand what this title means?



no beginning and no ending when refer to God

Sugerman  It seems you need to read the total post again ,what you say in your last post has already been answered ,

If you understand who YESHUA really you know he is Jehovah our creator
"The Almighty God" he was before all other things ,the first of creation .
Rev 3:14 This is the message from the one who is the Amen—the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God’s creation

Yoch 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I Am.

Micha 5:2But you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah,
      are only a small village among all the people of Judah.
   Yet a ruler of Israel will come from you,
      one whose origins are from the distant past.

Yeshua is from distant past  
Col1:15 Christ is the visible image of the invisible God.
      He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation,
Yeshua is Jehovah your maker
Isa 43:15 I am the Lord, your Holy One,Israel’s Creator and King.

Jehovah your Creator is God Son the only ever formed God by his Eternal Father ,
This is why God the Son said :
Isa 43:Before me no god was formed,
   nor shall there be any after me.

Before God The Son (Jehovah is his name ) no So is ever been formed ,
nor shall there be any God Son be formed "after" Him be formed  .

He Is the first in every thing .1Col1:18 He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might come to have first place in everything.

Isa43:3For I am the Lord your God,Yeshua is your God and your creator

1Cor 15:28 When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to the one who put all things in subjection under him, so that God may be all in all.
  
Yeshua is the Holy One of Israel, your Saviour.

Anja, read more carefully.

Micah 5:2 NIV "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans (b) of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins [c] are from of old, from ancient times. [d] "

[d] Micah 5:2 Or from days of eternity

Micah 5:2 KJV  But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

Micah 5:2 ESV  But you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah, who are too little to be among the clans of [C] Judah, from you shall come forth for me one who is to be [D] ruler in Israel, [E] whose coming forth is [F] from of old, from ancient days.

[F]  Psalm 90:2 ESV Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever you had formed the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God.

From the vanishing point to the vanishing point - everlasting to everlasting - God - Jesus Christ the Son of God.

The Only Begotten Son

Concerning Isaiah 43:10, the word "formed" never applies to God.  Through Isaiah, God is making a very distinct point that the formed idols of man never existed as God before Him, and will never exist as God after Him.  God has no beginning or end.  God is saying to Israel that He is the only God.  Note also verses 1 (God formed Israel) and 12 (Israel is witness that JHVH is God).

Also see Revelation 1:8 affirms the same of Jesus Christ the Son of God--not a formed God, but the Almighty, God from everlasting to everlasting.

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2But you, Bethlehem Ephratah, you are little to be among the clans of Judah; [yet] out of you shall One come forth for Me Who is to be Ruler in Israel, Whose goings forth have been from of old, from ancient days (eternity).(A)

You seem still not understand alpha and omeage plus look it up on what it means.


ARe there 2 saviors for israel or One?   You put yeshua a god being the holy one the savior but is God Eternal also a savior?


If we go by what you say we have two saviors 2 gods but the scripture is clear One God who is Echad a unity.  

Isaiah 49:6 5 And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength.

Wonder if the L-rd G-d formed Yeshua in His mother's womb?  There seems to be a lot in there about Him forming us in the womb and knowing us before He did it even. Blessings....