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The apostle Paul expresses it best as he introduces the true God of the Bible: “For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth (as there be gods many, and lords many), but to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by Him. Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge…” (I Cor. 8:5-7). (How interesting that Paul references “the Father” and “Jesus Christ,” thus differentiating them from all other “gods” and “lords,” but, missing the perfect opportunity, fails to mention the Holy Spirit, the supposed third member of the trinity. This kind of omission will be explored later in an inset.)

The Romans worshipped and built temples to an almost endless array of gods and goddesses. But it is said that the ancient Greeks worshipped as many as 30,000 gods. Not to be outdone, the Hindus of today are said to have 5 million, including their own trinity consisting of Sheva, Brahma and Vishnu! Of course, the Egyptians, as did other civilizations, also had their own brand of a trinity—Osiris, Horus and Isis. Then there is Tao, Confucius, Buddha, Allah and a host of other gods, goddesses and idols, worshipped today, including totem poles, nature, snakes, animals and fish in the sea, volcanoes and mountains, fire, wind, rocks, sun, moon, planets, stars and even certain human beings who are considered to be divine. Again, then, there are all the different kinds of metaphysical concepts of gods created and adored and worshipped in the mind—some of which have been depicted by physical symbols and representations rendered by artists. This describes the trinity.

Yet, and most are probably not aware of this, vastly more people believe in the three-in-one god of modern Christianity than any other form of god

The trinity has its roots almost entirely in philosophy and abstract metaphysics, based on nothing more than human reasoning,how anyone could possibly believe that the doctrine of the trinity is scriptural .

Long before the Christian era, numerous variations of the three-fold god existed, and they were found in a host of pagan religions and mythologies. As with so many other pre-Christian traditional customs and practices, the revival of this doctrine in the Christian era was predictable. It was essential that followers be able to see Christianity—their “new” religion—in familiar terms.

Triad deities (the worship of a three-in-one god) first appeared in ancient Egypt about three centuries after the Great Flood of Noah’s time. These Egyptian deities came to be worshiped as Osiris, Isis and Horus.

Some facts of very early history: After the destruction of the Tower of Babel, Nimrod and his mother-wife Semiramis, the first rulers of Babylon, fled to Egypt. There, Nimrod (known as Ninus or Athothis, among numerous other names) shared rulership with his father Cush (Menes) in the first dynasty. After Nimrod’s death, Semiramis claimed his son Horus to have been Nimrod reincarnated. These three—Osiris (Nimrod), Isis (Semiramis) and Horus (the son)—came to be exalted as a triad of deities .

In Babylon, these same three were known as Ninas, Ishtar and Tammuz. With the passage of time, this triad became well-known in many nations. Even in ancient Rome, a triad of deities was worshipped—Jupiter, Fortuna and Mercury—bearing similarities with the above-mentioned triads.

Virtually all ancient religions possessed deity “triads.” Notice this astonishing acknowledgment: “Though it is usual to speak of the Semitic tribes as monotheistic; yet it is an undoubted fact that more or less all over the world the deities are in triads. This rule applies to eastern and western hemispheres, to north and south. Further, it is observed that, in some mystical way, the triad of three persons is one…applied to the trinities of all heathen religions” (Egyptian Belief and Modern Thought, James Bonwick, p. 396, emphasis ours throughout).

A fascinating example of this can be found in the ancient roots of Hinduism. After the 6th century B.C., Hinduism featured the three-in-one god (or triad) that became known as the Trimutri. Brahman consisted of (1) Brahma, the creator (2) Vishnu, the preserver and (3) Shiva, the destroyer (What the Great Religions Believe, Joseph Gaer, p. 25).

Still many say the God of Israel is three in One ?

However brothers , the Bible teaches us to “prove all things; hold fast that which is good” (I Thes. 5:21). In the scriptures, mysteries are unknown areas that are always eventually revealed to the reader who is willing to carefully put together all the scriptures on the matter:

     “Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the Kingdom of God…” (Mark 4:11)
     “Behold I show you a mystery; we shall not all sleep, but we shall be changed” (I Cor. 15:51)
     “Having made known unto us the mystery…” (Eph. 1:9).
     “Even the mystery which has been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest [obvious]…” (Col. 1:26).

The first thing i notes is that many places in the Bible show that God is not working with the entire world,but some.  
Of course, since the world is cut off from God, it would necessarily be cut off from His understanding. Notice what Yeshua stated: “At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank You, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hid these things from "the wise and prudent", and have revealed them unto babes” (Matt. 11:25).
The so-called “wise” and “schooled” leaders of this world simply cannot understand God.
Yet, the truth about the real God of the Bible can be fairly easily understood by the average man, if, God has opened his mind.

Ask your self ,
Would the Creator of the universe command, “You shall have no other gods before Me” and leave it to human reasoning to determine who He is?

God’s Word plainly shows that man, of and by himself, is not capable of understanding spiritual matters (I Cor. 2:10; Prov. 14:12; Jer. 10:23).
But only by the gift of gods spirit "the spirit of truth" God is made known to his true children ,and not through teachings of so called wise men.
Yoch 14:16,17,Yoch16;13,14

All the time i spend on many forums and read all answers about tose who say god is trinity....
I see human nature to make what is simple complex.
Of course, God understood this tendency when He recorded and arranged His inspired Word. We have seen that He instructed mankind that the Bible is written, “Here a little, there a little, line upon line, precept upon precept” (Isa. 28:10).

The Corinthians had fallen into the pattern of taking what is simple and unnecessarily confusing it. Notice what Paul wrote: “But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ” ,2 Cor11:3.

If God instructs His people to prove what they believe, they would never be permitted to—and He would never expect them to have to—guess at doctrines so central to Christianity. Whether and how you and I have a Savior is very, very central to Christianity! Therefore, God must supply His servants with clear answers on all matters crucial to salvation and this certainly includes what He is!

Remember Paul’s admonition,the doctrines of God should be simple to understand when all of the basic scriptures on a matter are placed together. Always remember that there is to be simplicity in Christ—and the “Christ” we have just discussed (a trinity god) is far from that.

Should God’s Nature Be Complex?

I have seen that the confusion created by this doctrine is widespread—even among trinitarians.
Also on this forum i have see how it divide trinitarians ans=d i see no love of God in their answers .
There is broad disagreement about details of God’s nature here .
Let’s ask again: Should there be this much confusion about something so fundamental ?

Paul also clarified matters pertaining to division and disagreement within the true body of God: “Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment” (I Cor. 1:10).

Why would God inspire Paul to make the above statements if widespread confusion and division is to be tolerated among His followers? Think this through very carefully. Notice that not only should there be no division among God’s people—“brethren”—but we saw that Paul declared that there is “simplicity” in God’s Way. There is nothing simple about the trinity or the “Christ” within it.

The Body where the living Yeshua is truly the Head (Eph. 1:22-23; Col. 1:18) is a Temple that is unified on all matters of doctrine.
Gods Children will speak the same thing all the time on all points.
Does a “believe whatever you want” smorgasbord—and this is the picture seen throughout the churches of traditional Christianity—fit with the complete unity described in I Corinthians 1:10?

I have seen that there is nothing simple about the trinity.
In fact, I have seen that it is one of the most complex ideas promulgated by modern Christianity, and I did see that it is entirely lacking in any biblical support.

Anja says :
The correct translation,and Meaning  of 1 Jo 5:8 in
these verses should properly read, “There are three that bear record: the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree as one.”

We must ask: What is the meaning of “three that bear record”? To “bear record” or “bear witness” is to attest or testify to something. When a witness testifies in a courtroom, he is telling “the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.” Therefore, these three elements of the conversion process “attest” to the fact that a person is indeed a Christian.

This works in the following way:

(1) Spirit: Romans 8:16-17 states this: “The spirit itself bears witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God. And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with Him, that we may be also glorified together.” Verse 9 continues, “But you are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His.”

It is by the receiving of the Holy Spirit that one is begotten by the Father. With this Spirit then dwelling in the mind, a person can begin to understand God’s Word and His Plan: “For what man knows the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knows no man, but the Spirit of God” (I Cor. 2:11).

(2) Water: The death and burial symbolized by water baptism, preceding true conversion, is the means by which Christians show God their willingness to live a new life, to “put off…the old man” (Eph. 4:22; Gal. 2:20; Rom. 6:4-6) and walk “in newness of life.” It also demonstrates faith in Christ’s death and resurrection.

(3) Blood: It is the blood of Christ that cleanses people from their past sins (Rom. 5:9; Eph. 1:7; 2:13; Col. 1:14; Heb. 9:12) upon repentance and baptism.

Dear Prophet :
You may be asking, “Could all the churches of the world be wrong about God?” If you are not yet pondering this, you probably will soon. Eventually, everyone must squarely face this fundamental question with an open mind—and then be willing to face the facts from the Bible.

Although some scholars openly acknowledge that there is no biblical proof for the trinity, most professing Christians either overlook or know nothing of such admissions, and choose to “accept on faith” as biblical truth what is asserted from the pulpit.
But is it?
Remember, the term “trinity” is found nowhere in Scripture. Nor are the phrases “three-in-one, triune god” or any similar term. Let’s establish this as an admission from trinitarians:
“The term ‘Trinity’ is not a Biblical term, and we are not using Biblical language when we define what is expressed by it as the doctrine” (“Trinity,” International Standard Bible Encyclopedia).

Harper’s Bible Dictionary adds this: “The word [Trinity] does not occur in the Bible…The formal doctrine of the Trinity as it was defined by the great church councils of the fourth and fifth centuries is not to be found in the NT [New Testament]” (pp. 1098-1099).
But proponents of the trinity attempt to base their belief on a handful of passages, taken completely out of context and misapplied. Let’s examine them for their correct meaning.
I John 5:7-8

The “strongest” scripture used to support the trinity is I John 5:7-8. It states: “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.”
At first glance, this passage appears to directly prove the trinity. Could this scripture be revealing that God is a trinity? Was it inspired by God so that mankind would understand who and what He is?

Here are the plain facts of this verse: Transcribers who believed in the trinity concept—but who could find no scriptural support—added the bold italicized words to support their beliefs. Get this! They are pure human invention! Those who use these verses to support the trinity doctrine are either unaware that the passage was altered, or they are aware but feel that their use serves a “greater good.”
Most Bible margins directly state the truth of the passage. For example, the New King James Version margin states, “NU, M [versions] omit the rest of v. 7 [after “record”] and through on earth of v. 8, a passage found in Greek in only four or five very late mss. [manuscripts].”

The Critical and Experimental Commentary says of this section that the verse was not found in the Latin Vulgate until the eighth century. The New Interpreter’s Bible states, “This verse in the KJV is to be rejected…It appears in no ancient Greek MS [manuscript].”

Prophet we do not believe in 3 gods in one God.



First if your going to debate be honest about it and debate how we see it.

Prophet

ELOHIM can can refer to false gods or the The true God but to understand How ELOHIM is plural for The true God you need to understand Echad.

Even the definition that you brought up prove the case for The true God ELOHIM being plural.


b) each, every



one...another, the one...the other, one after another, one by one


Now look in scripture where echad is use over 600 times it use  as meaning many people being one nation or many people being One army etc....

2 people being one flesh  etc...

It used so many times that it means a plural sense of One more then a singular since of one.

As already mentioned, ECHAD is from the root ACHAD which means to collect together; and to this day ACHAD retains that meaning; for a Hebrew dictionary recently published (1949) in the new State of Israel gives the English equivalent of MU'ACHAD as "collective."  Why then was ECHAD changed to YACHID in the THIRTEEN PRINCIPLES OF JEWISH FAITH?  Undoubtedly that switch has much influenced general Jewish thinking as to the being of Jehovah.

maybe you can answer that question prophet?

http://books.google.com/books?id=CFiwbIj...&ct=result


as for the word ELOHENU and how it means our gods read this