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Well at least we agree on being One in Christ
God is One Person...Jesus who deals with His creation the same way we deal with family...close and extended...
I deal with my daughter as a Dad....I deal with my wife as a husband....I deal with my co-workers a as a partner....

3 different ways of interacting but ONE PERSON...

God is the same...HE is our creator,....He is our redeemer(in His flesh)...He is our Comfortor

3 different ways of interacting but ONE PERSON...Jesus

When Jesus tells His disciples they are looking at the Father....they aren't asking about His image...they are asking to see the Father toe which Jesus replies...."you now see Him"  your looking at Him.

How can you prove that these  "church fathers who studied under the disciples" ever did...prove they weren't the Nicolatians which also studied under the disciples and went after their own heresies...you can't so I take that with a grain of salt.   Scripture is my guide and the Holy Ghost is my instructer.

As you say there are 3.5 billion or so believers in Christ but they won't all be going in the rapture...many are called(3.5 billion and counting)  but few are chosen.

We are to make our election sure...which kind of kills that once saved always saved theory.      

But we have yet to "depart form ourselves" as you claim Jesus did on the cross.

Two Jesuses.

Well at least we agree on being One in Christ
God is One Person...Jesus who deals with His creation the same way we deal with family...close and extended...
I deal with my daughter as a Dad....I deal with my wife as a husband....I deal with my co-workers a as a partner....

3 different ways of interacting but ONE PERSON...

God is the same...HE is our creator,....He is our redeemer(in His flesh)...He is our Comfortor

3 different ways of interacting but ONE PERSON...Jesus


I think ripley post answer this pretty nice and to the point on this link

http://forums.jewsforjesus.org/showthrea...&page=last  post 200

How can you prove that these  "church fathers who studied under the disciples" ever did...prove they weren't the Nicolatians which also studied under the disciples and went after their own heresies...you can't so I take that with a grain of salt.   Scripture is my guide and the Holy Ghost is my instructer.


easy they were not Gnosticism believers and  if you care to read The link on  there is no trinty.

If you also futher read about these disciples I mention on the link they fought against it.

what ARE you talking about?
two Jesuses....Yeah...Jesus the man....Jesus the Father
I and my Father are one...Spirit and Flesh...ONE

2Cr 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation

is that so difficult to undrstand?

Christ is in me....am *I* now Christ? and the Father? and the Holy Spirit too?

IF you have Christ in you then you have the whole Godhead in you since the Godhead is in HIM.

2Cr 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?  

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.  

Rom 8:10 And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness

Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.  

Who do you think is in you?
Are you God...no..no more than Jesus the man was God but a man filled with God who was in Him and like Jesus you can follow the leading of Jesus(God) in you or ignore it your choice just like He had a choice.
  It is the Holy Ghost(Jesus in you) that will translate you on the day of the rapture and it is Him who will make you more like Himself each day.

1. The spirit that was inside Christ was the holy ghost is  not literal Jesus

read Jesus own words I will send another comforter to be with you.


it the same spirit that brought up Jesus in his wisdom of the scriptures as he grow older it is the same One he was filled by to speak in Authority etc....


This same spirit is inside us and indwells in us.


so prophet when Jesus said I will send you another comforted was he saying I will send you Another Jesus or I will send you the second half of mine being?

Jesus said, "Before Abraham, I AM." (During the same conversation in which He proclaims He has ANOTHER WITNESS, HIS FATHER, WHICH HE CLAIMS SHOULD CARRY WEIGHT WITH THOSE TORAH OBSERVANT JEWS, BECAUSE THE TESTIMONY OF ONE'S SELF IS MEANINGLESS....but you say that's a lie, or a riddle. What He meant, according to you, was, "Oh, btw, that 'other witness' is me..."??? Why would He make such a point if He doesn't REALLY have another witness?)

When he said, "I AM", He was claiming that standing there, in His flesh, He was STILL eternal YHWH.
Not divided. Not "Jesus here, and Jesus in the sky with diamonds"....
One Jesus.

I will be translated, but I will NEVER be YHWH. I am *in* Christ, but I am not, and will never be, Christ.

1. The spirit that was inside Christ was the holy ghost is  not literal Jesus

read Jesus own words I will send another comforter to be with you.


it the same spirit that brought up Jesus in his wisdom of the scriptures as he grow older it is the same One he was filled by to speak in Authority etc....


This same spirit is inside us and indwells in us.


so prophet when Jesus said I will send you another comforted was he saying I will send you Another Jesus or I will send you the second half of mine being?
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First thing first:

Holy Ghost/Spirit is and was God....Father...Jesus.... who is a sentient Spirit....who was in Jesus(who came in His Father's Name....Jesus)
His Father spoke throught Him when He said I AM THE I AM that Moses spoke of" just like He speaks through us now.

second until Jesus was glorified the Holy Ghost was NOT poured out and if you notice the Holy GHost/COmfortor was sent in whose Name?...oh yeah.....Jesus my what a coincidence.....Jesus sent in the Father's Name ...His Name wait for it...Jesus....The Father sent the Holy Ghost in the Son's Name....wait for it......Jesus.  So exactly where are these fictional 3 person....I only see one person.....Jesus.  

Holy Ghost/Spirit is and was God....Father...Jesus.... who is a sentient Spirit....who was in Jesus(who came in His Father's Name....Jesus)
His Father spoke throught Him when He said I AM THE I AM that Moses spoke of" just like He speaks through us now.


there no disagreement that Jesus is God the holy spirt but lets look at what you said.


you said jesus is The Father and basic came in his OWN name jesus when Jesus himself express someone coming in his own name is foolish.

second until Jesus was glorified the Holy Ghost was NOT poured out and if you notice the Holy GHost/COmfortor was sent in whose Name?...oh yeah.....Jesus my what a coincidence.....Jesus sent in the Father's Name ...His Name wait for it...Jesus....The Father sent the Holy Ghost in the Son's Name....wait for it......Jesus.  So exactly where are these fictional 3 person....I only see one person.....Jesus.  

Prophet again how you skip over basic english being sent in someone name does not make you that person.

just How I can be sent in my father name and I do not literal come my father in being.

This is as har as your logic goes