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Woot shofar fest count me in lol

Okay, so it is crazy. But it does sound fun.

And I know this next part is not scriptural in the least, but I was thinking ( with matching reflector cape):

Yeshua doesn't return for the Jews until they recognize Him, when they say Baruch haba bashem Adonai. (Or do they have to say Baruch haba bashem YHWY?). In a sense, the Jews will have to accept, as they see it, a gentile God (once again, from their perspective since we know, or are waking up to the fact, that Yeshua is Jewish).

What if God, having in mind the the olive tree, the fig tree, and the vine, was waiting for the gentiles to recognize His Jewishness, and since this would be of human freewill, Yeshua would truly not know which "day and the hour"--being the Feast of Trumpets--His return would be? What if God wants and is waiting for even His Christians, as He does with His Jews, to call out their need and desire for Him publicly in a united way?

Once again, I admit its all crazy talk. But consider: the church of Laodicea has been growing strong since the 50's when the more liberal members declared God dead. We now have the beginnings of a world culture where homosexuality is accepted. Putting a mark on every hand or head and using that mark as money is now a realistic possibility. Russia is supplying Iran, Syria, and other Muslim states, "[being] a guard for them." The Jews have everything they need to rebuild the temple, including the stones.

What is God waiting for and where has God's movement been seen best and unequivocally? In Israel with the Messianic Jews (though not with the ones who live by law). It's crazy, but it all sort of makes sense.

Jesus said the Father knew.  His coming does not depend upon human free will.

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But Yeshua didn't know.

And our salvation is a matter of human free will, even though the Father predestined us. Free will and predestination are not mutually exclusive. So the Father's knowledge of something does not hinder human free will from being the agent of change.

The Father waits until what?

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Gentiles cannot come in unless they first choose Christ--free will. So the Father then waits upon human free will (though He already knows the day of Christ's return).

I think you would agree with me that Christ's return is nearer now than it was twenty years ago. What has happened in those twenty years? According to Zola Levitt, more Jews have become Christians in the last twenty years than in the previous two thousand years [not counting those immediately in Yeshua's presence]. Also, Christians have become more divided, especially into two camps: those who support Jews seem to be more on track overall than those who do not support Jews, specifically Israel. Those who do not support Israel seem to have fallen away from a great portion of Biblical teaching (for example, homosexuality, divorce, woman pastors, personal holiness, etc.). Those who support Israel seem to be embracing the Jewishness of the Bible increasingly.

Why, then, can't our "fullness" mean, not only in number, but also in attitude towards the Jewishness of God, as seems to be where the true church has been heading?

If that were the case, and you may very well be right that it isn't, a public, united display of our acceptance of both our need for Christ and love for Jews might "prove" to God that we have attained "fulness."

Once again, its a crazy idea, not necessarily the correct idea. Certainly not worth alienating you: I think you are more important than this idea!

But how cool would it be to have to explain to your neighbors why you're blowing a trumpet? I've been looking for a way to witness to my neighbors for years.

revelation320, responding to your post #7:

You are saying the Father is both selecting the day and waiting upon human free will.  So, how does the Father make sure all He has chosen come to Christ, as Jesus said they would? for human free will is the apparent wild card here, and God has set the date.

Matthew 24:14, 36  After the rapture, the gospel of the kingdom will be preached.  The day and hour Christ is referring to is not that of the rapture, but of the second coming when every eye shall see Him.  At the rapture the Church meets the Lord in the air, but at the second coming of Christ all the earth sees Him coming in the clouds and with great glory.

Fulness of the Gentiles - pertaining to the gentiles in the Church.  Romans 11:25 anticipates that national Israel will not turn to Jesus Christ until after the church (which includes believing Jews and gentiles, but gentiles are referenced here) is raptured.

Here the caution against adding should be applied, since you mention the true church.  The gospel is not the "Jewishness of God".  The Gospel is the fact that Jesus Christ the eternal Son of God was sent by the Father to be born of a virgin, and that He died for our sins and rose again bodily the third day, and ascended bodily, and is coming again in that same body, all according to the scriptures.  While we can learn more about who Christ is and what He has done by learning more about the Law and the rest of the scriptures, we as gentiles do not delay or accelerate God in His plan for this world and Israel by our attitude toward or knowledge of Jesus' relation to Jewish laws, customs and identity.  We are called by God to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ who died and rose again.  The gospel is the Resurrection ... Acts 17:30-31 ... not the nationality!  We are not saved by believing Christ was Jewish; we are saved by believing Christ died and rose again.  That news will be at least as startling to your neighbors as blowing a shofar; start with that, and may you be a savor of life to your neighbors.

Yom Teruah, being the first day of Tishri, the day of Blowing, the day of Ingathering, the day of Taking away, impresses me as a good candidate for starting on 'the day and hour' that no man knows, if for no other reason being this is the only Feast day that is on the First day of any Month.  It, also, I believe, is the only Feast day that contains a 'blowing' called the "Last Trump." (from the little I have absorbed, with much yet to learn in the Feasts)

Another something I have heard is that: When asked about when the 'big day' is for the wedding ceremony, the bridegroom can only reply that the asker must ask his father, for only his father will decide if all is right for the bridegroom and bride to become one.

Rev.320, what you describe above, describes, to me, the generic picture chronology of the 'Last Seven' addressed in the Book of Revelation (of Christ) to John.  If you do not continue to espouse what He impresses on your heart, shame on you.  If others turn away from food for thought, shame on them.
To one and all, Shalom in Messiah.  Arley
p.s. I find Mark Blitz's program on the Sun/Moon eclipses like Prophetic T-bone steak.

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