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It's partly a thought that I got by the other thread about ''Holocaust and Jews''

but in what scence are JFJ forgiving the people and companies, if acc. to some Christians for everything is forgiveness...?

Or does JFJ have a policy not to buy from German companies?
Does FJF have a policy not to buyCOCA-COLA, FORD, IBM, vote Bush or Kennedy, because they supported the Germans even when it was not allowed acc. to international agreements?

I can't say that I know every company, and I might buy Coca-cola etc.
But in Israel are also some fanatics ''for example Bat Ayin'' who don't buy German products, while forgetting that some German companies where o.k. and some American/other European companies not...

Well it's out of curiousity.
So is forgiveness a sensitive subject?
Or are there some people who do have policies themselves about this?

Greetings,
Yetzirah231

To blame the whole, for the acts of some, is so destructive that this attitude condemns every person on the face of this planet, including the person condemning.  Now, that is a great big zero.

I fear that any person harboring revenge in their heart cannot be Messianic, nor Christian, as Love one another, including the enemy, was, I believe, Yaushuah's greatest Covenant commandment (tough to follow, but absolutely manditory).

In His Shalom,  Arley

To search for peace with the enemy. And walk two miles with him (to put maybe even hot coals on his head(that doesn't sound like to much love)... Is a Jewish concept... not found out by Jesus.

It's another thing if I buy a Ford, a company that sponsored a few years ago still an anti-semitic campaign in South Africa....
To love mr. Ford (or movement), is something else than to sponsor him...

And if you love everybody than it doesn't mather if you vote for Bush or somebody else, because love is more important than the result???

Just today I red an artical about a Palestinian... he was imprissoned for 6 years... Why. Because while getting his doctorate in one of the Chemicall departments of the Hebrew University, 6 years ago he stole some chemicalls to make some bombs to kill people with... They found out after the killings.
Now the new head of the same Chemicall department wants to take him back, because this palestinian, wants to finish his doctorate at the same University here in Jerusalem.
So You see that there are Jews who forgive palestinians...........

We allready had Moslims who converted to Judaism, to find out some years later that they helped brothers to kill other Jews.
Well forgiveness is a large subject. But partly I'm happy that there is a wall now in Jerusalem.
Still I might buy on the Arab market.
But if I will find a Arab serialkiller, I will not love him so much that I will buy from him his stereo, because otherwise he is to poor to buy bullets...  Somewhere there are borders.

So I just wanted to ask, if some Jews for Jesus have thoughts about that.
Thank you Navyblue... for your comment.

Well I don't blame the whole, also not all Germans, but I might blame BASF, IBM and Ford...  most of them didn't even repent...
Well o.k. maybe it's an option to cast out the evil spirits of IBM so that they go into pigs that all die in the sea... like in NT... just to give an option.
If Forgiveness is important above all, than people might start to love evil spirits also?

OK, 'tough to follow' should have been expressed a bit tougher.  Yaushuah did, however, tell (in the imperative) the Apostles to love the 'enemy.'  I hate to, but I presume that He was making direct reference to those people through history, and today, who love to hate.  Yaushuah, even prayed for his murderers, hanging on the cross, to show us that no matter how difficult the trial, we are to follow Him.

In reference to the 'evil spirits,' yep, Love, even them, I think.  I try to love them, and Satan, but in a pittying way, because of all the glory they will never have.  I trully feel sorry for them, for Hitler, for gihadist's, and the list goes on.  

Does that make me or anyone better?  Nope!  We would simply be doing what God wants us to do, love them, pray for them, and be greatful that He accepted our repentance, and purified our being, through his sacrifice on the cross, so we can be in His presence, for eternity.  (Now that is worth looking forward to!)
Shalom to one and all.   Arley

O.K. but that still doesn't answer the question if you sponsor the companies...
Do you buy a Ford or IBM or not... If you have a choice... between ethic companies, or companies that let people die and didn't show that they seek for forgiveness, etc.  Will you sponsor them? Is another question than forgiveness.

Arley,
What about Shimon ben-Yonah? He cut off the ear of someone. Was he a non-Messianic Jewish man, like Y'hudah from K'riot?

Sorry Yetzirah231,  I forgot to address that question.

My answer is, 'yes,' I buy Ford or IBM products, if it is what I need.  I will answer, also, an unasked question: 'Do I wonder about the historical actions of the decision makers of an organization before I purchase a product, and that answer is: 'no.'  For that answer, I must appologize, to some extent, but my existance in this mortality is not to judge why God allows horible things to go on, but to make the best of what happens, and grow in God's expectation of my attitude.  Messiah expects love and forgiveness from us, plainly stated by he himself, no matter how difficult it is for us to do this.

You see, I think of my mortal existence on earth as Preparatory school for my immortal existence in Eternity.  As hard as I study, and try to follow His perfection, however, I always fall short of that perfection, and must rely on the Blood of Messiah to make up the balance of the redemptive penalty I owe.

Don't worry, I am not a 'head in the sand' type eigther.  Not once did Messiah, nor I, say we have to sit still and let someone terminate our mortality, except that bit about 'taking up the sword' (that's a tough one for me, having had a career in the military) I do not feel that we have long to wait until we see Messiah, the 'Ariel' of ya'udah, come back to earth, and do a whole bunch of 'gluttie' kicking.

In Messiah, Shalom to one and all.  Arley
(Sure do wish we had a 'spell-check' available here)

Ah, good old Shimon.  Yes he did, true to his spontanious personality, but did anyone notice that Messiah, Yaushuah, glued the ear back on immediately, before he accepted arrest?  Shimon fell short, Yaushuah paid the damage so all was good as new.  That is as good as I can address it.

Shalom in Messiah to one and all.  Arley