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The catholic church is one of the most evil cults this world has known with the exception of the false jews that Revelation warns of.  They are responsible for the slaughter of millions.  When Martin Luther exposed the seat of the papacy for what it was, the seat of the spirit of anit-christ, they knew they had to put on a more acceptable face.  Anything that starts out as the work of the devil will always be the work of the devil.  Have you people forgotten that the bible says satan can transform himself into an angel of light?  It really amazes me that people are so stupid they can't read what the bible says and recognize what is of God and what is not.  If nothing else, the fact that the catholic church leads the civilized church world in homosexual priest and child rapist should open even stupid peoples eyes.  The pope is the one with the power to stop this disgusting ungodly behavior, but all they ever do is cover it up and move one pediophile 'priest' from one parrish to another.  If you are a queer or a child molester, the catholic priesthood is for you!  You don't have to work, you get all the innocent children you could ever want and the church and parents (who should be horse-whipped) turn a blind eye because they have allowed themselves to be brainwashed by a bunch of sick psychopaths.  In my opinion, the pope is probably nothing more the the worst child rapist in the whole bunch or he wouldn't allow it.  I wonder how it must feel to know you have sold your soul to satan for filthy carnal lust? Why don't we ask the pope?

[quote=Brianroy]
Does any pro-Catholic here have an answer to refute Bishop Hippolytus, the student of Irenaeus, who wrote:

"...the Holy Spirit, bequeathed unto the Church, which the Apostles, having in the first instance received, have transmitted to those who have rightly believed.  BUT WE, AS BEING THEIR SUCCESSORS, and participators in this grace, high priesthood, and office of teaching, as well as being reputed guardians of the Church, must not be found deficient in vigilance, or disposed to suppress correct doctrine."

Any comments as to what the role of the Christian bishops were in the era of Hippolytus (written ca. 222-225 A.D.) based on his above comment?
    

WHY WOULD A PRO CATHOLIC WANT TO REFUTE THIS. THIS IS PERFECTLY GOOD SENSE.

WHERE DID YOU READ THAT JOHN BAPTISED FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS?

I DONT THINK SO.

RIGHT AND THIS TREE IS VERY FRUITFUL.  ENUF SAID?

YOU CANT BE A GENTILE CHRISTIAN. GENTILE IS A NON BELIEVER.  YOU THINK A GENTILE IS A NON-JEW?  THIS WOULD BE TRUE IN CHRIST DAY BECAUSE THERE WAS ONLY BELEIVERS IN GOD OF THE JEWS AND NON-BELIEVERS IN GOD OF THE JEWS. THERE WERE ONLY JEWS AND GENTILES. BUT SINCE CHRIST, ALL CHRISTIANS BELIEVE IN THE GOD OF THE JEWS ARE A SECT OF JEWS AND THEREFORE ARE NOT GENTILES AND NEVER WERE.

GENTILES ORIGINALLY WERE GRAFTED TO JEWS NOT CHRISTIANS. THEN IT WAS THE NEW SECT THAT BECAME CHRISTIANS.  THE INDIVIDUALS HERITIAGE BECAME DIMUNITIVE AND WAS LOST. THIS IS WHERE IT SHOULD BE.  THE DNA DONT MEAN NOTHIN.

Yahweh has commanded that we should not intermingle with the pagans. Catholicism is a mixture of Paganism and Christianity
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THIS I CALL OSCAR MAYER CHRISTIANITY.....B-O-L-O-G-N-A

[quote=JacobP]
[quote=Warrior of Yeshua]
Boy, if we actually listened to half of what Catholicism says, we would all go to hell. Whay? Because Roman Catholicism preaches a works based salvation. Rav Shaul and Shimon Kefa (who you call St. Peter) both preached Salvation by Grace through faith outside of works.


YOU TAKING OUT OF CONTEXT AND OUT OF CHRONOLOGY.

OF COURSE, THE SALVATION GOD PROMISED TO THE DEAD JEWS WHO WERE FAITHFUL TO TORAH MUST BE A SALVATION BY GRACE, DEAD PEOPLE CANT WORK FOR SALVATION. BY GRACE IS THE ONLY WAY. ALSO, AT THE TIME, THERE WERE OTHERS ALIVE WHEN JESUS WAS WITH US THAT WERE COVERED UNDER THE ORIGINAL PROMISE AND THAT WOULD BE SAVED BY GRACE ALONE AND THESE WERE GIVIN EYES AND EARS TO SEE AND HEAR THEIR MESSIAH JESUS. ONCE ALL THAT "BELONG TO HIM" WERE UNDER THE NEW LAW, MESSIAH WAS CUT OFF AND THE OLD COVENNT WAS FINISHED.

THE "WORKS BASED SALVATION' YOU TALKING IS NOT THE WAY YOU UNDERSTAND IT. ALL CATHOLICS UNDERSTAND THAT SALVATION IS A GIFT AND NOT DESERVED OR EARNED. BUT WORKS ARE NECCESSSARY TO MAINTAIN THE BAPTISMAL GRACES. AND THIS TEACHING IS TWISTED TO MEAN LIKE ONE CAN EARN THIER WAY TO GOD. THE THING THAT CATHOLICS EARN BY PRAYER AND WORKS IS CALLED INDUGENCES. THIS IS RELIEF FROM TEMPORAL PUNISHMENT DUE A PERSON BY SIN. MINISTERS DONT USUALLY TALK ABOUT TEMPORAL PUNISHMENT (PURGATORY) AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU SHOULD QUESTION THEM ABOUT SINCE IT CLEAR THAT IT EXISTS. JESUS WARNS US OF THIS "PRISON".

THE FACT THAT THE CHURCH TEACHES ABOUT THIS AND YUR MINSTER DONT TELLS YOU WHAT?  YOU GOT THE WRONG CHURCH.

You say that Roman Catholic Doctrine is infallible, but in fact the Vatican has been teaching directly AGAINST the scriptures themselves.

NOT SO.  FIRST OFF, THE POPE IS NOT INFALLIBLE. HE IS JUST AS HUMAN AS MOSES. THE POPE IS ONLY INFALLIBLE WHEN HE SPEAKS FROM THE SEAT OF CHRISTS POWER. HE DOESNT ALWAYS SPEAK FROM THAT SEAT. BUT IF AND WHEN HE DOES, HIS WORD IS INFALLIBLY LAW. IF HE SAYS THE SKY IS RED AND THE GRASS IS ORANGE, THEN YOUD BETTER CHANGE THE NAMES OF THE COLORS ON YOUR COLOR CHART.

They have done it ever since Constatine. The Pope is not the succesor of Peter but rather the successor of Constatine (The pagan who falsely converted). BALONEY!

YOU SEE THAT POPE BENEDICT WILL NEVER APOLOGIZE TO ISLAM BECAUSE YOU CANT APOLOGIZE FOR TELLING THE TRUTH. THE POPE WILL NEVER BECOME A CHILD OF ISLAM AND WAS NEVER A CHILD OF CONSTANTINE.

Before you spread Heresy and Lies, please first put in question almost everything you have been taught. Reorginize what you believe based on the Scriptures. NOT on the teachings of the Vatican.

WRONG.  TIMES CHANGE AND SCRIPTURES DONT ALWAYS APPLY TO MODERN TIMES. YOU PROJECTING THE IDEA THAT THE CHURCH IS EASILY INFLUENCED BY PAGANS AND PEOPLE LIKE CONSTANTINE BUT YOU ARE NOT SEEING THE CHURCH.

LOOK AT HER STANDING AGAINST ABORTION AND BIRTH CONTROL. SHE WOULD BE MORE POPULAR AND BETTER LOVED BY THE WORLD IF SHE ENDORSE THESE THINGS. BUT SHE DOESNT. SHE IS LEGIT AND TRUE TO THE LORD. YOUR ANTI-CHRIST WILL ENDORSE ALL THESE THINGS AND TELL YOU THAT YOU CAN ABORT AND DEFY LIFE ALL YOU WANT AND BE SAVED BY BAPTISM. IN THIS CASES WE ALL GO TO HELL WITH HIM I THINK.

CONSTANTINE MIGHT BE LOOKING DOWN AT US AND SAYING, "GEE, EVEN I WASNT THAT STUPID"

WHETHER HE WAS SINCERE OR NOT, YOU CANNOT KNOW. YOU MADE A SUPER IMPORTANT DESCISION TO DENY THE CHURCH BASED ON POOR JUDGEMENT OF CONSTANTINE. POOR BECAUSE YOU CANNOT KNOW.

NOW MAYBE CONSTANTINE WAS MAKING A POLITICAL MOVE BUT SO WHAT? HOW DO YOU JUDGE THE CHURCH BECAUSE OF WHAT CONSTANTINE DOES? AND EVEN SO, IF CONSTANTINE IS GOING IN THE DIRECTION THAT THE CHURCH WANTS TO GO, WHY SAY THAT THE CHURCH IS FOLLOW CONSTANTINE? WHY NOT SAY THAT CONSTANTINE IS FOLLOW THE CHURCH?  AND IF JESUS SAYS THE GATES WONT PREVAIL, THEN WHY EVEN WORRY ABOUT CONSTANTINE?

SOMEBODY DOESNT WANT YOU TO BELIEVE IN THE CHURCH AND IF I WAS YOU, THAT ID BE INVESTIGATING. WHY IS IT SO IMPORTANT THAT YOU BE THOROUGHLY INFORMED ABOUT THE "EVILS OF THE GREAT WHORE"?

YOU MINISTER IS LIKE A JUDAIST WHO KNOW MORE ABOUT WHY JESUS IS NOT MESSIAH THAN HE KNOW ABOUT TORAH..

DONT DRINK ANY OF YOUR MINISTERS KOOL -AID.

quote=Becky]
The catholic church is one of the most evil cults this world has known with the exception of the false jews that Revelation warns of.  They are responsible for the slaughter of millions.  When Martin Luther exposed the seat of the papacy for what it was, the seat of the spirit of anit-christ, they knew they had to put on a more acceptable face. 

WHY? WHY DIDNT THEY JUST SLAY MARTIN LUTHER? HECK, WHAT IS ONE MORE COMPARED TO MILLIONS?

 Anything that starts out as the work of the devil will always be the work of the devil.  Have you people forgotten that the bible says satan can transform himself into an angel of light?  It really amazes me that people are so stupid they can't read what the bible says and recognize what is of God and what is not.  BRAVO! A TESTIMONIAL AGAINST JUDAISTS.  THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO RECOGNIZE GOD WHEN THEY SEE HIM. THEY DID NOT RECOGNIZE OR BELIEVE IN THE WORD/SON.

If nothing else, the fact that the catholic church leads the civilized church world in homosexual priest and child rapist should open even stupid peoples eyes.  The pope is the one with the power to stop this disgusting ungodly behavior, but all they ever do is cover it up and move one pediophile 'priest' from one parrish to another.  If you are a queer or a child molester, the catholic priesthood is for you!  You don't have to work, you get all the innocent children you could ever want and the church and parents (who should be horse-whipped) turn a blind eye because they have allowed themselves to be brainwashed by a bunch of sick psychopaths. 

YOUR RATIONIZATION ISNT UP TO RIGHTS. IF THE PEDOPHILES REALIZE THAT THEY CAN ACCOMPLISH THE SAME GOALS BY JOINING THE BOY SCOUTS OR BECOMING SCHOOL TEACHERS, DOES THIS INVALIDATE THE SCOUTS OR THE SCHOOLS. THAT YOU ARE DOING. YOU CONDEMNING THE CHURCH BECAUSE SATAN PAID A VISIT.  THE SCOUTS WAS A GOOD ORGANIZATION UNTIL SATAN DESTROYED IT WITH HIS EVIL FOLLOWERS. AND HE PUTTING BAD TEACHERS IN SCHOOLS TO TEACH YOUR KIDS STUFF YOU DONT WANT THEM TO LEARN LIKE THE PROPER USE OF ORAL CONDOMS. DOES THIS MEAN THAT SCHOOLS ARE EVIL OR THE BOY SCOUTS ARE EVIL? YOU SEE, SATAN IS WORKING HARD AGAINST THE CHURCH AND IF HE CAN CONVINCE YOU THAT THE CHURCH IS EVIL, THEN HE PREVAILS OVER YOU.  

THE CHURCH IS BECOME HIS PRIME TARGET. IF YOU DONT BELIEVE THAT HE WORKING HARD AGAINST IT THEN, GO READ REVELATIONS 12 WHERE IT SAYS THAT HE "GOES OFF TO MAKE WAR WITH THE CHILDREN".

In my opinion, the pope is probably nothing more the the worst child rapist in the whole bunch or he wouldn't allow it.  I wonder how it must feel to know you have sold your soul to satan for filthy carnal lust? Why don't we ask the pope?

SO THAT IS WHAT THE CHURCH IS ALL ABOUT. LUST FOR CHILDREN? YOU MEAN THAT A MAN OF PAUL II AGE AND A MAN OF BENEDICT AGE IS DEDICATED HIS WHOLE LIFE TO BECOME LEADER OF THE PEDOPHILES? AN ORGANIATION THAT SIZE AND THAT UNIVERSAL? ITS ALL FOR PEDOPHILIA?

WHICH OF THESE TWO POPES WAS THE WORST PEDOPHILE? THEY BOTH CANT BE THE WORST. ONE CAN BE THE WORST AND THE OTHER CAN BE THE ALMOST WORST. YOUR SILLY FRIVOLATOR

DID YOU SEE WHEN THE POPE MADE THAT COMMENT ABOUT ISLAM? DID YOU SEE ALL OF SATANS ANGELS CRAWL OUT OF THEIR CREEPY PLACES?  SATAN AT THE BOTTOM OF ALL OF IT. HE IS TRYING TO MAKE JESUS A LIAR BECAUSE JESUS SAID THAT HE WONT PREVAIL. SATAN TRYING HIS BEST TO PREVAIL AND THE CHURCH IS TAKEN SOME HEAVY HITS BUT IT STILL STANDING.

SATAN IS SMARTER THAN WE ARE. HE WAS AN ARCHANGEL BEFORE HE TURN EVIL. HE KNOWS HOW TO PULL THE WOOL OVER YOUR EYES EASY AND HE DOING IT WITH THIS PEDOPHILE STUFF AND NOW HE DOING IT WITH POPE REMARKS. ANY CHANCE HE CAN GET TO BRING THE CHURCH TO SHAME OR DISCREDIT, HE WILL JUMP AT THE CHANCE AND THEN THE SIMPLE MINISTERS WILL ALL JUMP UP AND SAY, "I TOLD YOU THOSE CATHOLIC WERE ALL EVIL. BENEDICT HAS DNA AND IS THE SON OF HITLER. ". AND IF YOU SPELL HIS NAME BACKWARDS IN MESOPOTAMIAN ARAMAIC AND THEN COUNT THE LETTERS IN HEBREW, IT COMES TO 666.

YOU SAY THAT WE ARE ALL STUPID AND BLIND BUT MAYBE YOU ARE THE ONE NOT SEEING THE REAL THING THAT GOING ON. THIS IS THE HOLY WAR OF THE SCRIPTURES , NOT THEIR JIHAD OR TERRORISM, BUT THE WAR OF SATANS EVIL AGAINST GODS CHILDREN.  THE WAR HAS MANY FRONTS. THIS IS ONLY ONE . THE OTHERS ARE IN THE SCHOOLS, THE MEDIA, THE MEDICAL AND LEGAL PROFESSIONS, POLITICS AND EVERYWHERE THAT SATAN CAN SQUASH THE WORD OF GOD.

Dear UFO-Warviper and all other brothers and sisters in Christ.
Thanks for your kind words of encouragement.
I believe we should always look at our motives. I came inhere to share the wonderful news about Gods Wonders – both in the sense that He is revealing His Son to the Jewish people.. and that the new Pentecost is upon us with wonderful works in the lives of all those who anticipate Christ Jesus – but I found a sad sight: a war that is going on in here. A war of names – the condemnation of brothers. Sorrow for Jesus. Joy for satan.

In all honesty. The Bible says:
“There can be neither Jew nor Greek, there can be neither slave nor freeman, there can be neither male nor female – for you are all one in Christ Jesus and simply by being Christ’s, you are that progeny of Abraham, the heirs named in the promise.” (Gal 3:28)
Or if you prefer another way: “For those who have received Jesus as Lord there is no room for distinction between Greek and Jew, between the circumcised and uncircumcised,… There is ONLY ONE CHRIST: He is Everything and He is in everything. (Col 3:11)
I’d like to interpret this into our problem here, as I understand it:
There is only One Christ, Only one Saviour, Only One Jesus by whom we can be saved, whose Blood has accomplished all. We who confess this are IN HIM. And IN HIM there is no room for distinction: that is; Jesus makes no distinction between a protestant, an orthodox, a Jew who attends a messianic congregation, a Baptist, an Apostolic or a Pentecostal. He sees the heart that longs for Him.
There is not one serious debater in this forum who has not accepted Jesus into his/her heart and confessed to God and to the world: Jesus is my Saviour and my life, I have given everything to Him.
I wish to remind you all, of the thief at the side of Jesus at the hour of His death. Did Jesus say: No, I don’t like you, you have read hair.. I don’t want you since you are having the wrong doctrine. NO Jesus said only: I TRULY TELL YOU: TODAY YOU WILL BE WITH ME IN PARADISE. That is all. It happened simply because the thief recognized Jesus as the Holy One – sent by God. So let us not complicate God. God is surely not complicated. He is Love.
Now if you think Katarina is sure about herself then you are wrong. I look to Jesus.. I go where I think He leads me. Am I my self certain of anything? No.. I will know of only one thing and that is Christ crucified, like Paul writes. There is no other foundation that Jesus. Paul is also horrified when he hears the Corinthians argue with one another saying: “I belong to Paul,.. I belong to Kefas..  And I to Apollos. “ Has Paul perhaps been crucified for you or have you been baptised in the name of Paul?” – he says.  
Yesterday a brother from a church called the apostolic church condemned me to hell. I had given him a friendly invitation to come and hear a speech and testimony from a nun from Medjugorje. He said: Its your own choice Katarina, if you continue along that road then you will end up in eternal damnation, because the Catholic Church is the great whore of the Apocalypse. To him I said: You make two errors: I have no choice –just like you have no choice – for we have given everything over to Jesus, including our own will, and we follow Him, whatever sadness it brings us. Thereby I do not say that I always understand the ways of Jesus.. or that I hear and see clearly.. that is the consequence of the fall. We cannot see. We must rely on Jesus. Now He only needs to give me one glance saying: “Come Katarina.. go into the apostolic church now,” then I would not hesitate to do so, and I would not look back. Because my God is not my Church. But Jesus is my Light. The second error is to call the Church a great whore. What is the Church? WE are the Church, we are the temple of God. - All who believe in Christ. The Holy Spirit dwells within us. That alone should stop anyone from condemning a Christian brother or the church.
We are all in that same boat together brothers. And Jesus is at the rudder – thank Goodness for that. Lets not paddle in all different directions with our little hands, but lets gather them in front of us in prayer and help each other convert this sorry world to Jesus Christ instead of using all our energy to break Jesus heart by our division. My favourite word in the Bible is: Ephes. 4:1-6.


Dear Becky.
I have no wish to fight you but if you are open to hear me out, I will try to explain what I think about what you wrote about the Catholic Church. Your post was not a very high standard – I don’t suppose you would speak thus to my face if we sat eye to eye- but I guess you were maybe caught in a fit of anger and then we are sometimes not quite reasonable. And you are right to be angry. I am angry too when I read about crimes, any kind of crime, committed by people who should represent Christ. Okay I admit it. Anger is not my thing.. usually I just get real frustrated and my heart is exploding with tears. Frustration of course is justified.. no matter what church we belong to – since it is the Name of Jesus that is damaged when priests abuse children. And it is one of his friends who has betrayed Him – once more like Judas.
You know, there were 12 apostles and one was a thief and a traitor – that’s very unfortunate statistically spoken.. although he had sat at table with Jesus and walked along the roads with Him, sleeping next to Him and hearing His gentle words. It’s a mystery to the Love how Judas could do it, right? ...And all the apostles ran away and left Jesus bleeding and moaning. Our wonderful Lord. How can we not admit that we might also have left Him or been the traitor, if we had been there then? And we really ARE there. Its today. Now is the moment.  Souls fall, souls betray the Lord. Have you not yet had your trial? Jesus says: Pray not to be put to the test. Its is so easy for us to condemn the pedofiles for their abominable tendencies.. But we are soon to forget that the prize for ALL sin is death. Including yours. This recognition will bring you to humility.  
You condemn the Pope and the whole Catholic Church because of the weeds. That is a case between you and the Lord. I do however urge you to consider this fact. The Word of God says that those who believe that Jesus is the Son of God and Saviour, sent by the Father .. those who call on the Blood of Jesus, have already passed over from death to life. Yet you condemn to hell, in one breath only, all the people who call on the blood of Jesus to wash their sins, in half of the Christian world and from ancient times. Does this seem fair to you?… Is this your mission or your job? Or are you raving like I think. I bear you no grudge. Please take care of the heart which Jesus has shaped in your chest though, and let not hatred take the best of it.
     Yours truly,
Katarina <><

Martin Luther may have exposed errors in the Papal system and it was good to do that but he may also be one of the architects of the holocaust. Hitler did everything that Martin Luther suggested years earlier and after doing so, it seems the regime didn't know what else to do so they came up with "the final solution".  It is something that people don't like to talk about too much and I wouldn't know about it if not for Jewish people who told me about it.

That is one reason I do not consider myself a Protestant. The other reason is that I can not agree with the Protestant Confessions. The Protestant Confessions say that the former ways of God revealing His will to us has ceased. I cannot agree with that because there is to be no change in the teaching of the word of the Lord.

Did you ever read the history of the children of Israel or the Kings of Israel and think they were horrible? Well, church history is no better.

It is a good reason to be humble and keep our ears open to see if there is anything that we can do better.

Shalom!

David wrote:
"WHERE DID YOU READ THAT JOHN BAPTISED FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS?   I DONT THINK SO."

Mark 1:4
       "John did baptize in the Wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins."

Luke 2:3
       "And he [John] came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins."

Cf. Matthew 3:5-6,8.

"...in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow."  (Ecclesiastes 1:18)