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David wrote:
"WHERE DID YOU READ THAT JOHN BAPTISED FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS?   I DONT THINK SO."

Mark 1:4
       "John did baptize in the Wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins."

THIS DOESNT SAY THAT HE BAPTIZED FOR REMISSION. THERE IS TWO BAPTISMS HERE. LIKE THE CIRCUMCISION OF THE BODY AND THE CIRCUMCISION OF THE HEART. THE FIRST HE PERFORMED, THE LATTER IS THE ONE HE PREACHED.

Luke 2:3
       "And he [John] came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins." THIS IS THE SPIRITUAL BAPTISM MENTIONED HERE. YOU CANT COME IN ALL THE COUNTRY PREACHING AND DRAGGING THE JORDAN BEHIND YOU CAN YOU?  HE BAPTISED PHYSICALLY IN THE JORDAN AND PREACHED REPENTANCE IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.  WHEN THE PEOPLE BAPTISE THEMSELVES IN SPIRIT OF REPENTANCE, THEIR SINS STOP AND THIS IS THE REMISSION. THE PHYSICAL BAPTISM IS ONLY SYMBOLIC OF THE SPIRITUAL ONE.

REMISSION OF SIN IS THE EFFECT OF REPENTENCE, NOT THE BAPTISM. THAT WHAT IM SEEING.

Cf. Matthew 3:5-6,8.

"...in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow."  (Ecclesiastes 1:18)

AINT THIS THE TRUTH!!!
IF YOU HAVE WALKED IN THE FIRES ON GODS HOLY MOUNTAIN YOU WILL KNOW THIS IS A FACT.

WHAT DID JOB SAY WHEN HE GOT THE WORD, "WOE IS ME"?

THE LIPS OF THE PROPHET ISAIAS WAS CLEANSED BY THE FIRE BUT THE SCRIPTURE THAT REPORTS THIS SAYS NOTHING OF HIS SCORCHED EARS.

Mark 1:4 "Baptisma metanoias eis aphesin hamartion" is literally rendered as "a Baptism of repentance INTO forgiveness of sins."  The word "aphesis" comes from "aphiemi", which is basically the adjoining of two words: the prefix "apo" - meaning from, and the suffix "hiemi" meaning to dismiss, or send or leave forth from.  When joined with repentance, "metanoia", the Jewish concept -- as on Yom Kippur -- is a sense and act of joyful forgiveness, as there is a change and alteration of the mind and the heart from doing evil, to doing that which is good.

In Romans 6:1-12, we see this very liberation process in the act of Faith into Jesus Christ and His atoning work upon the Cross.  In John's Baptism, Jesus is preceded by a physical example of Salvation by faith in the Baptism of John.  These people, up to this time, only knew the Temple ritual baptism as a purely physical cleansing before entering the Temple.  John was bringing them into a greater experience.  John was preparing the halfway point of the people to meet G-D in a desert place, away from the rabbinic demand of the Temple, and back to the place where their forefather's entered the Land of promise.

They were called to a circumcision not of literal foreskins upon a hill again; but now to a circumcision of the heart.  And literally, they had come to a pre-Cross fulfillment of Romans 6:1-12, and for a while, by faith into HASHEM, put their sin nature to sleep. They were looking for a greater escapegoat than the one offered by Temple sacrifice.  It would take the uncrowned King Messiah to make any atonement an everlasting  forgiveness/remission of sins.

"Remission" is simply the stronger word that verifies that there is an act of pardoning or forgiveness going on here.

You insinuate, in your delirium, to be like unto Moses to us.  My response is: I have not "walked in the fires of G-D's holy mountain", and neither have you.  The fruits of your words have yet to show promise and fidelity to G-D's kingdom.  Read John 8:43-45, and James 3:15-18.  Can you do this, and then come back with a civil response as to how your  past submissions are of G-D and not devilish?  If you cannot teach your point of view, and support it, why are you here going on with these uncivil discourses?

Ok the Name/Word Peter in greek Means Rock (Petros)  "Peter" originally was named Simon-BarJonah Christ called him Peter (Petros) I think in Hebrew its Kipha which also means rock Christ was call calling him the rock upon which His Church would built his Church.No other Church Church can trace trace their roots back to Peter, who chose to start Christ's Church in Rome, the Orthodox Christian brothers were a part of the Catholic Chruch until 1054 A.D they were the Eastern Church and the Romans were the Western.Until that schism in 1054 the Church was except for a few heresies.  

M't:16:16: And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
M't:16:17: And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
M't:16:18: And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

JESUS WAS REPLYING TO PETER'S ANSWER TO HIS QUESTION
THE ANSWER WAS JESUS YOU ARE THE MESSIAH, GOD'S SON!
JESUS WAS SAYING PETER THAT ANSWER YOU GAVE ME IS THE ROCK(MESSIAH, GOD'S SON) THAT I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH!
OLD TESTAMENT SAY'S The Lord is my rock.
2Sa:22:2: And he said, The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer;
Psalms:18:2: The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.
Psalms:62:2: He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved.
Psalms:62:6: He only is my rock and my salvation: he is my defence; I shall not be moved.
Psalms:92:15: To shew that the LORD is upright: he is my rock, and there is no unrighteousness in him.

Peter is nothing without Jesus. Peter would throwup at the thought that he is the rock that Jesus's church would be built. The Church is NOT the RCC and our Father is not a pope in the RCC.

Actually Peter started the church in Jerusalem ot Rome nice try though...

Read Foxes book of Martyers and then tell me if Gd looked at their church membership or whether they were baptised through the church or in the Jordan before He received them to Himself?
I support the Catholic Church but it too is IMPERFECT! They focus way to much on the Pope and Mary for my liking but I have also seen them praying and working for the Lord and they are sincere in their love of Gd and His son Jesus and I believe that Gd honors their faith, though different than mine has many commonalities and I choose to look at the things they do that are right vs wrong and have found the balance to say toward the right more than the wrong.
Let us remember our adversary and know that none of us has the power in ourselves to combat this evil, only Gd/Jesus can help us with that and Peter himself ran like a scared little twelve year old girl with a dress on 3 x's, and satan spoke through him once. Peter, loved and beloved as he is, was a man and he died a saint, and the church is founded on a  human saint  and therefore IMPERFECT. I love my Catholic friends, I know that Gd judges their hearts and like the Jewish roots o fmy faith, I trust Gd for the salvation of the twelve tribes of Israel as much as I trust Him for my Catholic friends.
I believe JESUS is the message or testimony but whether or not I convince them that Jesus is the Messiah of the scriptures or not Gd's Holy Spirit will and we do not know the hearts of a person but Gd does!
The person who believes that you have to be Catholic to be saved is as wrong as those who believe you have to be Jewish to be saved. I think Revelations prove that to be true.

Paul wrote about this very issue - an issue that presented itself to the early church, but we are seeing its relevance 2000 years later. I quote from his first letter to the Corinthians:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...ersion=NIV (see below)

Divisions in the Church
10I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought. 11My brothers, some from Chloe's household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. 12What I mean is this: One of you says, "I follow Paul"; another, "I follow Apollos"; another, "I follow Cephas[a]" [CEPHAS IS SIMON PETER BTW]; still another, "I follow Christ."

13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into[b] the name of Paul? 14I am thankful that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15so no one can say that you were baptized into my name. 16(Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don't remember if I baptized anyone else.) 17For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.

You Catholics are doing no more than saying "we follow Peter".

C'mon. Time to grow up.

A Catholic will never say they follow Peter....Peter was the first Bishop of Rome the first leader of Chirist's Chruch, We are just showing the legitimacy as the one true Church, he called him the "Rock"(Petros) on which his Church would be built Christ knew he was leaving this earth and needed someone to tend his Sheep (John21:15-17).

Peter is nothing without Christ.. I agree Christ is everything..im just showing  the legitimacy of the one true Church. Peter was told to tend to his sheep see (John 21:15-17).I worship Christ not Peter

Hope,
I love the people in the RCC also. I also know they LOVE JESUS, just try and tell the sincere they don't!
Even though many believe it was Peter they also know it is ALL about Jesus the Son of God who died and rose again for them. Love and pray for one another in Christ Jesus.