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Hal Lindsey's new commentary on WND talks about the Archbishop of Canterbury's statement to Islam apologizing for Christian doctrine being offensive.

Here's an article from the Daily Mail about the ACs position. (Not the AC, but apparently an ac, nonetheless.)

Why is it that if a Christian wears religious garb and a beard and has eyebrows that would scare my lawnmower, you can just about count on that Christian being some kind of heretic?

from the first source:

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So, this is not the proclamation of the Grand Poobah of the Fraternal Order of Water Buffalo, or the rantings of a self-appointed leader of some lunatic fringe cult.

Actually, *I* see it as exactly the same... and the Pope for that matter as "head" of the RCC.

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Christianity is not a political system. It isn't a church denomination. Christianity is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, independent of any church membership.

Ah, but it is for RCC and it's daughter, Anglican (Church of England). And always has been. Hence, my prior statement. In fact, the Anglican church came into existence for only one reason: King Henry VIII's desire for annulment from Catherine of Aragon to marry Anne Boleyn. Period.

Both (proper, not members) HAVE used the sword for "conversion" (Eurpoean history is filled with Roman Catholic vs English Protestant political wars, take a look at two sisters: Mary and Elizabeth)... which lead to Puritans leaving England, going to the Netherlands, and eventually leaving for the New World: America ie; the Pilgrims. (Yay!!)

However, when talking about the Crusades, if that is what the AC is talking about, Christians forget that their lands were attacked FIRST by Muslims and the Crusades were retaliation.

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The Crusades originally had the goal of recapturing Jerusalem and the Holy Land from Muslim rule and were launched in response to a call from the Eastern Orthodox Byzantine Empire for help against the expansion of the Muslim Seljuk Turks into Anatolia.

SOURCE - WIKI
-emphasis mine-

We should also note that England has a large Muslim population. (As does all of western Eurpope.) Americans need to really understand that; we have no such threat of civil unrest as they do...peace within their own cities is paramount. Islam is not a "Middle East problem" for them, it is a local one.

-to be continued-

With all that said, there is no reason for any of our "leaders" to apologize for the gospel being "offensive"... I say, "Well, DUH!"

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And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.

Now the AC attempts to do what Paul could not. If the AC apologizes and even advocates for Sharia Law within the British system

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But it risked fresh controversy for the Archbishop in the wake of his pronouncement earlier this year that a place should be found for Islamic sharia law in the British legal system.

(from the second article linked above...see what I mean about England?) then the offence of the cross is ceased? No.

What the AC should realize is this: "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places]." Eph. 6:12

Our calling is to preach the gospel, with no apologies, with gentleness and respect, ready to give EVERY man an answer for the hope that lies within us.

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In it, Dr Williams said violence is incompatible with the beliefs of either faith and that, once that principle is accepted, both can work together against poverty and prejudice and to help the environment.

John Lennon, that great British theologian, couldn't have said it better himself: "All we are saaaaa-ying, is give peace a chance!" or "Imagine..."

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When someone to can rise to the post as head of one of the largest denominations in Christianity without understanding the most basic elements of salvation, one can truly say that the apostasia has arrived.

Hal, from first link

And if that is the state of our "leadership", just think of the "common believers"... ARGH!

Holy Spirit, rain down on us. Our "leaders" are misleading. May we turn to You alone.

Rev, Could it be proof that your lawnmower is a 'putz,' being scared by an 'hairytic?'
On a bit more serious side: Christians are so laid back, and casual in their faith, that anyone who wears obviously different garb, has to have a mindset alien to the 'norm' of the times. Look at Michael Rood. Most people I know see him as a heretic, because they have never seen, in scripture, what he sees. I, too, have been called an heretic, and am proud of it. If I am thinking outside of the box, perhaps I am thinking like Messiah. Isn't that what the Priest's and Scribe's thought of him?
Ooooooorrrrrr, am I missing the point of your question?????
Shalom in Messiah. Arley

revelation320 Wrote:

1 Timothy 1:19-20

Speaking of placating, is Hitler more a myth than history now?

Navyblue Wrote:

Rev, Could it be proof that your lawnmower is a 'putz,' being scared by an 'hairytic?'
Lol

Hairytic! So true! He does seem to be enlarging himself at the expense of his flock by claiming to live by the blood of Christ.

On a bit more serious side: Christians are so laid back, and casual in their faith, that anyone who wears obviously different garb, has to have a mindset alien to the 'norm' of the times. Look at Michael Rood. Most people I know see him as a heretic, because they have never seen, in scripture, what he sees. I, too, have been called an heretic, and am proud of it. If I am thinking outside of the box, perhaps I am thinking like Messiah. Isn't that what the Priest's and Scribe's thought of him?
Ooooooorrrrrr, am I missing the point of your question?????
I wasn't really being serious in that question. But I think you are right about thinking outside the box. I've often wondered what a church would do if someone did some crazy Ezekiel-like things.

I went to this one church once in the rich part of town (an emergent church, though, I didn't know anything about emergent churches at the time) and after about a month was so frustrated with their sour hearts, I envisioned myself setting up stones in nice rows in the foyer and preaching a message to the stones about the their inability to hear God, to take scripture seriously, and to love others. I was going to end the message by picking up the stones and throwing them out of the church. Never did it.

I did learn this from my church searching days, though: any church that shows Home Alone as its Christmas Day message, has a smoke machine and an elevated platform for the worship leader, and recommends Blue Like Jazz as a must-read, life-changing Christian book probably doesn't have Yeshua sitting in their pews. I'd rather sit under Michael Rood than any of these any day of the year. Sometimes its the normal religious folks who are the real heretics. Amen?

revelation320 Wrote:

I did learn this from my church searching days, though: any church that shows Home Alone as its Christmas Day message, has a smoke machine and an elevated platform for the worship leader, and recommends Blue Like Jazz as a must-read, life-changing Christian book probably doesn't have Yeshua sitting in their pews. I'd rather sit under Michael Rood than any of these any day of the year. Sometimes its the normal religious folks who are the real heretics. Amen?[/color]

There is a very strong Jewish Christian man who recommends Blue Like Jazz, yet doesn't agree with Donald Miller on every point.

revelation320 Wrote:

....I wasn't really being serious in that question. But I think you are right about thinking outside the box. I've often wondered what a church would do if someone did some crazy Ezekiel-like things.

I went to this one church once in the rich part of town (an emergent church, though, I didn't know anything about emergent churches at the time) and after about a month was so frustrated with their sour hearts, I envisioned myself setting up stones in nice rows in the foyer and preaching a message to the stones about the their inability to hear God, to take scripture seriously, and to love others. I was going to end the message by picking up the stones and throwing them out of the church. Never did it.

I did learn this from my church searching days, though: any church that shows Home Alone as its Christmas Day message, has a smoke machine and an elevated platform for the worship leader, and recommends Blue Like Jazz as a must-read, life-changing Christian book probably doesn't have Yeshua sitting in their pews. I'd rather sit under Michael Rood than any of these any day of the year. Sometimes its the normal religious folks who are the real heretics. Amen?

I know what you mean.  Didn't Yaushuah address the problem about being rich, when he spoke about 'choking a camel with a needle?' (pun, as the camel just couldn't seem to make it completely through the eye of that dumb needle)  I cannot blame you for the 'Never did it' part.  Being run out of town on a splintery rail, plumb aint the 'funerest' thing in the world to provoke.

I don't know about 'Jazz,' but why not?  I have this bad habit of going to meet with the Church group, to 'praise,' feeling that my needs are already known, and try to keep personal suplication to a minimum.

In Messiah, Shalom.  Arley