From your link Goy:
A Clear Example by Extension...
Here is an example why Paul had Timothy, a Jewish Believer circumcised. But was not under any obligation to have Titus, a Gentile believer, circumcised...
There was a disciple...
'.. named Timothy, the son of a Jewish woman who was a believer; but his father was a Greek. He was well spoken of by the brethren at Lystra and Iconium. Paul wanted Timothy to accompany him; and he took him and circumcised him because of the Jews that were in those places, for they all knew that his father was a Greek.' (Acts 16 1-3)21
This was done as a testimony to the Jewish unbelievers not because of the requirement of the Torah.
Paul then vindicates his apostleship, pointing out that he, who was zealous for the traditions of his ancestors and who had persecuted the Church, had been called by God to proclaim the gospel. (Gal. 1:11-24) He argues that it was he who took a principled stand against circumcision.
'But even Titus, who was with me, was not compelled to be circumcised, though he was a Greek.' (Gal. 2:3)
Paul blames the concern about circumcision on
'…false believers secretly brought in, who have slipped in to spy on the freedom we have in Christ Jesus so that they might enslave us - we did not submit to them even for a moment.' (Gal. 2:4-5)
Your corrected quote is from "my" link.
So, was Paul wrong in the first case, Goy?
So, was Paul wrong in the first case, Goy?
Why blame Paul when you misquoted both what Paul was instructed to write and Yeshuat Yisrael?
It makes my heart so sad!!! So, I ask the question! I look to scripture. Not as a(nother) means of salvation, but wanting to "walk in the manner to which I have been called"! I have stated that I keep none of the law! I break them, one and all...I NEED His grace daily! That is NOT the point!
Galatians 2:11-17 (New King James Version)
New King James Version (NKJV)
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No Return to the Law
11 Now when Peter[a] had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed; 12 for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision. 13 And the rest of the Jews also played the hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy.
14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, “If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you[b] compel Gentiles to live as Jews?[c] 15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
17 “But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is Christ therefore a minister of sin? Certainly not!
Footnotes:
Thsi is not about JUSTFICATION, Goy.
Maybe that is why you are so angry with me, you don't understand that I am making a difference between being saved and being sanctified, HERE ON EARTH, by being obedient to the desires and commands of our Lord.
Finally, this is how I see it, from scriptures, graphic:
ALL Law (OT Judasim) <--------(where we should be)-------> ALL Liberty (Gentile, lawlessness)
We all agree we can/do sin, but to walk in sin is not the evidence of the saved person. So, we agree that some Law applies to US, in our walk. And sanctification is a process.
So, I asked in another thread, "Sin, what is it?" and got VERY LITTLE RESPONSE.
Without understanding sin, holiness, and conform, we can't continue debating this subject.
Simple as that.
Finally, this is how I see it, from scriptures, graphic:
ALL Law (OT Judasim) <--------(where we should be)-------> ALL Liberty (Gentile, lawlessness)
We all agree we can/do sin, but to walk in sin is not the evidence of the saved person. So, we agree that some Law applies to US, in our walk. And sanctification is a process.
So, I asked in another thread, "Sin, what is it?" and got VERY LITTLE RESPONSE.
Without understanding sin, holiness, and conform, we can't continue debating this subject.
Simple as that.
All liberty is not actually lawlesness (Romans 1-6, 9-14), and how dare you are anti-gentile. My mom is a gentile, and my estranged dad is 3/8 Jewish; so I don't want to hear your anti-gentile sentiments.
I should have been more specific: UNBELIEVING gentile.
Careful, Rip, you'll sound like a self-hating gentile *wink* *ROFL*
Jews were brought to know grace, not works.
Gentiles were brought to know subserviance to the Creator of the Universe.
Neither was allowed to continue in their *old ways*.
If you are going to take every statement as a personal attack, then I suggest you leave all forums. Debate and disagreement is not a personal attack, on you or your lineage.