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Are you implying what you think about me? If you are implying your perception of me, then you're attempting an underhanded and misperception-guided attack on me. By the way, I am a patrilineally-Jewish woman; and my mom's family are gentiles, most of whom are Christians. So, in the words that Paul wrote down, "If anyone else thinks he has grounds for putting confidence in human qualifications, I have better grounds"; and the mitzvot given to Moshe were to show how we needed faith and grace, and I knew how the 613 mitzvot showed a need for mercy over sacrifice even before I knew that I was Jewish.

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I'm afraid that's already been quite fully established. -LOL-

I am going to take it that you posted, Goy, before my post about Jews/works and gentiles/subserviance was up, and ignore what you posted.

But FTR, here's my lineage: a bunch of sinners, some believers, some not.

GoyOfY'shua: ...pay attention. There is a fine line between being denominationally Messianic Jewish and a Judaizer.

Faith:

GoyOfY'shua, I just visited the blog you have posted, what the heck is this 'Judizers' stuff. LOL!!! OMGosh! that was the funniest thing! There are excellent Jewish Messianic congregations such as Maoz Israel, all will tell you Sabbath is Saturday and observed according to HaShem's commandment.

I was working on a reply re: Sabbath is an Eternal Statute, perhaps it may help you ~ I'll post it in Testimony Forum shortly.

God bless.

http://yeshuatyisrael.com/torah.htm



However, I think we all need to acknowldge that simply "following the rules" didn't bring even a Jewish understanding of "justifcation", before 70AD...sacrifice, also part of Torah and Torah observance, was atonement. We now know it was merely a foreshadowing of our once-and-for-all Sacriced Lamb.

I think that aspect is ignored when we talk about the Law and obedience. Even OT faith was based on God's grace. We wrongfully think otherwise. Look at our Patriarchs again: NONE perfect. All chosen by and receiving His grace.

Are you afraid of Tanakh and Brit Chadashah? The verses that I've cited make clear that one can keep Torah without being a Judaizer.




Speak of Maoz, Pastor Baruch Maoz, a Jewish Christian pastor, would side with Jewish people like me; and I'm only 3/16 Jewish while Baruch Maoz is fully Jewish. So, the critique of Judaizing comes from more than just patrilineally-Jewish people like me.

GoyOfY'shua: Are you afraid of Tanakh and Brit Chadashah?

Faith: 'There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. We love him, because he first loved us.' 1 John 4:18-19

GoyOfY'shua: The verses that I've cited make clear that one can keep Torah without being a Judaizer.

Faith: 'Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify (Christ) you.' Exodus 31:13

GoyOfY'shua: ...a Jewish Christian pastor, would side with... me...

Faith: 'Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.' Exodus 20:8

God bless.

So you testify against yourself using what Yochanahn wrote down and trying to make it another gospel. Mazel tov, Faith. We love because Y'shua first loved us; and you love yourself, because you think that keeping all 613 mitzvot is faith, whereas faith lets one keep Torah-Brit-Chadashah.

GoyOfY'shua: The verses that I've cited make clear that one can keep Torah without being a Judaizer.

Faith: 'Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you (Christ).' Exodus 31:13

GoyOfY'shua: ...a Jewish Christian pastor, would side with... me...

Faith: 'Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.' Exodus 20:8

Faith: You're no Jew that's for sure. You are confusing Judaism (Tanakh~Talmud) with Christianity (Christ: Tanakh~NT). The 613 Mitzvah's were complied by Maimonides.

I posted this to you 2 days ago.* Faith: I have nothing more to say to you.
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* http://forums.jewsforjesus.org/showthrea...9#pid33379

Even Daat Emet makes the point that when one makes a covenant with the G-d of Israel, they agree to join Adom-Yisra'el; and as long as they have faith and fellowship with the people , why do they need to add any more to what they already have?

The Jewish-Russian girl who made aliyah was already Jewish by birth, education, and faith; why did she have to add mitzvot-Charedim, such as going through tevilah, to her religious practices and lifestyle? Like the Jewish-Russian Yisra'eliah in her Jewish faith, why must a Christian add mitzvot-P'rushim, such as giving up celebrating Christmas and Easter?