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To Baptistic, Prowler, sugarman, Aad2, and other Jewish and gentile Christians who aren't Judaizers:

Does anyone else want to get Jans and other moderators to kick Ripley's, Faith, and others off the forum for discrimination against Christians who are denominationally Roman Catholic and Protestant, and who celebrate Christmas, Easter, and the Sabbath on Sunday?

JUDAIZE! WOO HOO! (1 of 2)

GoyOfY'shua: ...kick Ripley's, Faith, and others off the forum...

Ripley's: Quote: It's like we are so aFrAiD (trembling) of "Judaising" that we can't even talk about...

Faith: I'm not!

Fear of ridicule is the accusers' intent. Ridicule is the #1 tactic of the accuser, presuming one cares for the opinions of man over God's word ~ I don't. If the accuser can shut you up truth is silenced and they don't have to face it, much less others get to hear it. But....

'There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.' 1 John 4:18

God's laws apply in letter (action) and in spirit (heart, mind, thought)

I 'Judaize' because 'Judaizing' emphasizes honoring God's clearly stated laws' to those who say 'there is no law'

'And God spake all these words, saying, I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. (Delivered from sin)

Thou shalt have no other gods before me. (Amen!) (NO RCC doctrines ~ Sun Day before HaShem!)

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; (Literal and Figurative: Idols, self, opinions of man)

And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. (7th Day ~ Saturday)

JUDAIZE! WOO HOO! (2 of 2)

Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. (God loves His Sabbath day and made no other day holy as His.)

Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee. (God is our Father too! Honor what He says.)

Thou shalt not kill. (Jesus showed hate and anger, lashon hara, in act and thought apply here too)

Thou shalt not commit adultery. (unfaithfulness)

Thou shalt not steal. (what belongs to others)

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. (Amen.)

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.' (Covet~Envy was the sin of the enemy). Exodus 20:1-17

Regardless Paul's quotes are presented piecemeal, Paul is never greater than Christ.

GoyOfY'shua I think you're way off base regarding Ripley.  As believers of the truth we are called to be discriminating.  We are to distinguish between truth and falsity.  We are followers of "The Way", not "A Way" - (I'm sure you agree).  Ripley's free to express her views about the traditions of Christiandom.  I think she makes some interesting points that are worth considering.  And even though I disagree with Faith's legalism (and other issues), I see nothing wrong with her participation in the forum, at least with regards to the points she's making.  I do have an issue with her attitude and tone towards unbelievers, but I have that same issue with many folks that post here...

Shalom!

GoyOfY'shua:  ...kick Ripley's, Faith, and others off the forum...

Faith: 'Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.

But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,

And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.

And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.' Acts 7:53-60

I say, Jesus is the Lord.

'Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.' 1 Corinthians 12:3

TD~



Apparently you haven't read the whole thread. Nor the thread on "Sabbath Eternal...", or "Hebrew Catholics" (previously linked). My main point is not to observe Sabbath to be a better witness to Jews; my point is that it should never have been changed to begin with, adding scriptural and historic evidence to back my position. Not for salvation's sake, but for obedience's sake, which we are still called to be, albeit not under the letter of the law, but indeed under the spirit of it summed up by our Lord. However, one of the benefits of observing would be a better witness, not only to Jews but to the world too.  

And I also contend that by such division and separation from all things "Jewish" in the biblical sense, not the pharisaic sense, gentiles, by and large, are ignorant (unknowing) to the full glory of God's revelation; ie: feasts and fulfillment, completed and yet to be completed.

My *main point* is doing what God said (just like not committing adultery, lying, coveting, etc) what the Apostles did (as evidenced by scripture), and what they taught their disciples to do (the earlIEST church). And to really understand the effect the powerful military and political Holy Roman *Empire* has had on the church (even the anti-Semitic views of the Reformers) and to repent in the sense of turning away from it.

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Including our English translations which, being translations, are translated with the understanding of the translator. So, where some scriptures are translated "first day of the week", we are lead to believe that they met on Sunday, which is not correct. Not even by looking just superficially into Strong's...but how many believers do that?

We, the church, should not reject biblical Judaism, and the fulfillment of it by the Messiah, and follow according to what the NT says, not just willy-nilly "we're under grace so we can do as we please", and follow along in the solely anti-Semitic traditions that IMO were never the intent of God, Jesus, or the Apostles.  

Instead of constantly having to defend myself I would have liked to engage in THAT debate/discussion. But *we* are so afraid of being put under the law that *we* won't even look into it. Name calling and labeling is much easier.

Which leads me to my response to Goy, next:

Goy~



There is a difference in condemning individuals and condemning organizations. I have not condemned individuals. Go ahead and read my posts with the brother I have debated the RCC teachings with. (I don't call everyone here "brother/sister".)

You can't/won't refute the history, so instead you attack me.

You wish so much that I was discriminating, but I am not.

Sister, if I were you, I would look at my own conduct before casting stones.

So, now you want to "excommunicate" me? Well, what can I say about that? If it were 1200 AD I would be burned at the stake by you?

Whatever. Either refute me, with more than personal attacks, or hush.

Can you explain How Christmas is anti-Semitic?


Just wondering because The earliest records of the knowed Holiday dates back to 200ad where monks would give gifts and celebrate his Birth.


Christians Thought by Thought for sometime Jesus was born 9 months after His baptism which they place on march 25.




http://www.touchstonemag.com/archives/ar...6-10-012-v

One more thought..LOL

TD~



The Apostles continued to do all of those things. Even Paul. According to quotes of Polycarp and Polycrates, these things were continued in the gentile portion of the church, as taught by their mentors (whomever they were, from the Apostles on).

Were they considered "Judaisers"? No. Why? Because they KNEW, as we do, that we can add nothing to/for salvation.

Imagine for ONE MOMENT what Christian practice would look like without the undue influence (excommunication, political extortion, torture, death) of the RCC FORMAL on the church universal for 1400 years.

Without the (anti-Semitic) edict at Nicea 325, would we be gathering on Saturday or Sunday? First Sunday Easter, or Passover and corresponding Resurrection Day?

With all that said, I think we should be celebrating all the feasts, completely and corporately, like we do Easter now. With the same proper perspective that the Apostles had. Praising God for what has already taken place, and for what has yet to take place.




Once again, you obviously have not read the prior posts. But... they have been numerous and in many threads:

1) Sabbath is not JUST "Jewish Law". It was established *on* the 7th day, observed by God as an example for all mankind. Just like marriage. And the arguement (from silence) that no Sabbath was followed before Moses is immaterial. Why do I say that? The patriarchs had many wives and fathered children by concubines. Did that change God's original plan? Nope. His design was one man, one woman. Same with Sabbath.

2) Are we saved by observing Sabbath, or ANY law or practice? No.

Liken it to baptism: MUST we be baptized? No. Should we be? Yes.