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   Then Moses said, "Now show me your glory."

And YAHWEH said, "I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, *YAHWEH, in your presence. [self existant, eternal] v.20  But he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."
   Then YAHWEH said, "There is a place near me where you may stand on a rock." When my glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft in the rock and cover you with my hand until I have passed by. Then I will remove my hand and you will see my back; but my face must not be seen.
EX 33:18-23

  YAHWEH answered Moses,....,and go. I will stand there before you by the rock at Horeb. Strike the rock, and water will come out of it for the people to drink." [When Jesus was pierced through the heart, water and blood flowed out; water pictures the Word, Jesus offered the woman at the well water, that if she drank, she would never thirst.]  EX 17:5-7

  When Moses' hands grew tired, they took a stone and put it under him and he sat on it. Aaron and Hur held his hands up -one on one side, one on the other -so that his hands remained steady till sunset. So Joshua overcame the Amalekite army with the sword. [this pictures Jesus at Calvary between two thieves. The sword pictures the Gospel.]
EX 17:12-13

  "Listen, you rebels, must we bring you water out of this rock?" Then Moses raised his arm and struck the ROCK TWICE with his staff. Water gushed out, and the community and their live-stock drank.
[Christ can only be crucified once, the Pashal Lamb who takes away the sins of the world.]
  But YAHWEH said to Moses and Aaron, "Because you did not trust in me enough to honor me as holy in the sight of the Israelites, you will not bring this community into the land I give them."  NU 20:10-12

  Moses, who represents The Law, can take the people out of the world, but can't bring them into the Promised Land. This will take Faith, represented by Joshua (a type of Jesus; YAHWEH - HOSHEA)



  For this is what YAHWEH says -
  he who created the heavens,
    he is Elohiym;
  he who fashioned and made the earth,
    he founded it;
  he did not create it to be empty,
    but formed it to be inhabited -
he says:
  "I am YAHWEH,
    And there is no other...

  Was it not I, YAHWEH?
    And there is no Elohiym apart from
       me,
  a righteous *Elohiym and a Savior;
    there is none but me.
  (*shows plurality of G-D)

  ISA 45:18-21


  They all ate the same spiritual food
    and drank the same spiritual drink;
  for they drank from the spiritual rock
    that accompanied them, and that
  rock was Christ.
  l COR 10:3-4


RA

In his book Full Circle, (http://www.olimpublications.com/Circle.htm), Bob Fischer puts forth a compelling case for the triunity of the Godhead as acccepted by the Essene Jewish community as much as 4-5 hundred years BCE. He contrasts it with the Sadducees doctrine of no resurrection, (in my mind the precursor of formal athiesm) and the Pharisees doctrine of MONO-theism.

Regardless, it is sincere prayer and perserverent seeking + God's mercy by which any man shall receive the truth. Truth must be true, and man cannot influence truth to be what is not true. Accept the immutability of truth, and that apart from any mans (and your own) thought of it or any religions considerations of it.  It will be a major stepping stone to personally knowing God.

  TO LAMBSEV:


"...the Essene Jewish community as much as 4-5 hundred years BCE."

  Have a question. "How many Gospels did these people have?"

Truth? "Man learns from history only that he learns nothing from history."


SHALOM!

RA

You are the one quoting from Old Covenant (Exodus, Isaiah) History. Romans 15:4  For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.

I hope you are learning from it.

  
"You are the one quoting from Old Covenant (Exodus, Isaiah) History. Romans 15:4  For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.

I hope you are learning from it."

Dave aka lambsev


Essenes vanished before the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. Here are some of their beliefs. An absolute belief in Providence, like the Pharisees. Next to G-D, Moses, the Law giver, was the object of the greatest reverence. To blaspheme Moses meant certain death. They kept to the Priesthood of Aaron. They moved no object on the Sabbath, and performed no bodily functions. They worshiped Angels.
Josephus writes: "They taught that bodies are perishable, but souls immortal."
Jesus says: "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."  MATT 10:28

Ezekiel said: "The soul that sinneth, it shall die."  EZ 18:20

The Essenes turned to the sun while praying, in opposition to the Jewish custom of looking toward the Temple. Perhaps a smitten of sun worship?
It was influenced by foreign systems of theology and philosophy, such as Buddhism, Parseeism, Syrian heathenism, and Pythagoreanism.
  Though not directly mentioned in Scripture they may be referred to in MATT 19:11,12; COL 2:8, 18, 23

  Among the texts they left behind, are: Revelations of Enoch, commentaries on Hosea, the Book of Psalms, the Book of Leviticus, a visionary testament of John the Baptist, and last but not least, the "so called lost gospels" of Mary Magdalene and the Apostles Philip and Thomas.

It should be noted here, that according to the great prophet Ezekiel, there are 4 Gospels, and ONLY 4; Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.


  "Man learns from history only that he learns nothing from history!"  

   SALEM!

   RA    

I mentioned the essenes regarding the interesting (to me if no one else) fact that they are said to have held that God was triune!!! I'm not making this up, it is found in the book I cited. I find this interesting. Perhaps inspite of whatever errors they believed, they were nonetheless correct in this belief. If not: "o well".

By the way I'm sure Ezekiel would tell you there is but ONE Gospel.

And let me add I'm not here to debate details with anyone, but to (hopefully and lovingly) give glory to God for the gift of His Son and only Heir: Yeshua.

To:   Dave aka lambsev wrote:    

"By the way I'm sure Ezekiel would tell you there is but ONE Gospel."

  Let us return now to Ezekiel 1; Now it came to pass
            in the 30th year, in the 4th month, in the 5th day
            of the month...I saw visions of G-D.
            V.2 This vision was in the 5th day of the month,
            which was the 5th year of King Jehoiachin's captivity.

            AM 3567 (BC 485) Jehoiachin captured.
            + 5 yrs.
            ---------
            AM 3572 (BC 480)


            It is 480 years to the year "0", the year Jesus was
            supposed to be born. There is a 5 year error in the
            calendar, so Jesus was born BC 4. His age at 30 is
            in AD 26, the year Ezekiel saw Him. This is the year
            the Gospel began. The year John was called out in
            the 15th year of Tiberas. LUKE 3:1,23

            AM 4064 (AD12) Tiberas
            + 14 yrs.
            --------
            AM 4078 (AD 26) The Gospel

            [The four living creatures]

            Each of the four had a face of a Man, and on the
            right side each had the face of a Lion, and on
            the left the face an Ox; each also had the face
            of an Eagle.

            Man - "The Gospel according to Luke"
                ( Jesus the man; blood relative)

            Lion - "The Gospel according to Mathew"
                (Jesus the king; son of David)

            Ox - "The Gospel according to Mark"
                (The Covenant)

            Eagle -"The Gospel according to John"
                (Jesus' Diety-"The Word was G-D")


            There are three things necessary for Redemption:

            1.) You have to pay the price.

            2.) You have to be blood related.

            3.) You have to WANT TO.


                       RA