08-29-2008, 05:55 PM
chow_woman Wrote:
Do the other "Jews like you" know you're their advocate?
Good point, LOL. "Jews" would be better off without such
advocacy.....
Do the other "Jews like you" know you're their advocate?
Good point, LOL. "Jews" would be better off without such
advocacy.....
08-30-2008, 01:49 AM
searchinmyroots Wrote:
Okay, lets just agree.
Goy is Patrilineally Jewish!!!
I can't do that. According to her formula, Jesus wouldn't be Jewish.
08-30-2008, 03:06 AM
chow_woman Wrote:
searchinmyroots Wrote:
Okay, lets just agree.
Goy is Patrilineally Jewish!!!
I can't do that. According to her formula, Jesus wouldn't be Jewish.
Chow,
I was just trying to "move on"!!
08-30-2008, 06:34 AM
Aren't we supposed to be concerned with whether we are rightly related to God?
I am all for GOY to be investigating and loving her own heritage, whether others perceive her as correct or not. And I am all for expressing an objection when directly challenged. But hasn't this thread served its purpose now? Everything that is dear to God ought to be discussed in a more respectful way. That includes Jews, because God has chosen them, and that includes gentiles, for God loved them so much He sent His chosen to them with the gospel.
Whether we passionately identify with Jewish in mind or body, the main thing is, be genuinely related to God through Israel's Messiah, Jesus Christ, because that is the only way we can be having anything to do with God. Remember, it is not by might, nor by power, but by the Spirit that God both preserves Israel and makes us a child of God through believing on Jesus, who died for us on the Cross and rose again. He is sitting at the Father's right hand. What is your genuine relationship to Him today?
I am all for GOY to be investigating and loving her own heritage, whether others perceive her as correct or not. And I am all for expressing an objection when directly challenged. But hasn't this thread served its purpose now? Everything that is dear to God ought to be discussed in a more respectful way. That includes Jews, because God has chosen them, and that includes gentiles, for God loved them so much He sent His chosen to them with the gospel.
Whether we passionately identify with Jewish in mind or body, the main thing is, be genuinely related to God through Israel's Messiah, Jesus Christ, because that is the only way we can be having anything to do with God. Remember, it is not by might, nor by power, but by the Spirit that God both preserves Israel and makes us a child of God through believing on Jesus, who died for us on the Cross and rose again. He is sitting at the Father's right hand. What is your genuine relationship to Him today?
08-30-2008, 09:13 AM
Obviously, this thread hasn't served its purpose because I , according to them, pretend to be Jewish; and a couple of things:
To whom much is given, much is expected (Luke 12:48); and now that I realize that I'm a patrilineal Jew (who, like many other patrilineal Jews, has been shunned by the Hasidic down to the "Conservative" Jewish communities; and some of us didn't know that we were Jewish because if they told us that we were patrilineally Jewish, their whole agenda would be wrecked.), and I am sick and tired of patrilineal Jews being called "mamzers" or "not Jewish, or even at first unaware of our Jewishness.
Many patrilineal Jews who are running from "Conservative", "Orthodox", and "Hasidic" Judaism need to know that there are patrilineally-Jewish Christians who don't shun other patrilineal Jews.
Aren't we supposed to be concerned with whether we are rightly related to God?
I am all for GOY to be investigating and loving her own heritage, whether others perceive her as correct or not. And I am all for expressing an objection when directly challenged. But hasn't this thread served its purpose now? Everything that is dear to God ought to be discussed in a more respectful way. That includes Jews, because God has chosen them, and that includes gentiles, for God loved them so much He sent His chosen to them with the gospel.
Whether we passionately identify with Jewish in mind or body, the main thing is, be genuinely related to God through Israel's Messiah, Jesus Christ, because that is the only way we can be having anything to do with God. Remember, it is not by might, nor by power, but by the Spirit that God both preserves Israel and makes us a child of God through believing on Jesus, who died for us on the Cross and rose again. He is sitting at the Father's right hand. What is your genuine relationship to Him today?
- I didn't make up that I was born of the great-great-grandson of a Danilowicz and the great-grandson of an Andrulewicz. I would be wasting my time to pretend that I'm Jewish, which would be the most anti-Jewish and antithetical thing to do.
- I also didn't make up that my dad's maternal great-grandmother was a Yzchinski by birth.
- TaNaKh and Brit Chadashah have implications for Adom-Yisra'el that they don't have for goyim (Romans 1:16, 2, 3:1-10, 9-12).
To whom much is given, much is expected (Luke 12:48); and now that I realize that I'm a patrilineal Jew (who, like many other patrilineal Jews, has been shunned by the Hasidic down to the "Conservative" Jewish communities; and some of us didn't know that we were Jewish because if they told us that we were patrilineally Jewish, their whole agenda would be wrecked.), and I am sick and tired of patrilineal Jews being called "mamzers" or "not Jewish, or even at first unaware of our Jewishness.
Many patrilineal Jews who are running from "Conservative", "Orthodox", and "Hasidic" Judaism need to know that there are patrilineally-Jewish Christians who don't shun other patrilineal Jews.
Baptistic Wrote:
Aren't we supposed to be concerned with whether we are rightly related to God?
I am all for GOY to be investigating and loving her own heritage, whether others perceive her as correct or not. And I am all for expressing an objection when directly challenged. But hasn't this thread served its purpose now? Everything that is dear to God ought to be discussed in a more respectful way. That includes Jews, because God has chosen them, and that includes gentiles, for God loved them so much He sent His chosen to them with the gospel.
Whether we passionately identify with Jewish in mind or body, the main thing is, be genuinely related to God through Israel's Messiah, Jesus Christ, because that is the only way we can be having anything to do with God. Remember, it is not by might, nor by power, but by the Spirit that God both preserves Israel and makes us a child of God through believing on Jesus, who died for us on the Cross and rose again. He is sitting at the Father's right hand. What is your genuine relationship to Him today?
08-30-2008, 09:44 AM
The only difference between Jew (original twigs on the Vine (Messiah), and Gentile (grafted twigs on the Vine (Messiah), is: Because of the grafting, there remains a 'slight' scaring. Other than that, both original, and grated are reqired to be productive, be it one penny producing one penny increase, or five penny value producing five penny increase.
I prefer cooking with cast iron cookware, and the old addage 'the pot calling the kettle black' comes to mind. Tell me, who is the kettle, and who is the pot, if they both produce increase (good food) as they are given to?
In Messiah, Shalom, to one and all. Arley
(And I still wish we had a 'spell-check' program to use here. See how dumb my fingers can be
when trying to make sense?)
I prefer cooking with cast iron cookware, and the old addage 'the pot calling the kettle black' comes to mind. Tell me, who is the kettle, and who is the pot, if they both produce increase (good food) as they are given to?
In Messiah, Shalom, to one and all. Arley
(And I still wish we had a 'spell-check' program to use here. See how dumb my fingers can be
when trying to make sense?)08-30-2008, 01:25 PM
searchinmyroots Wrote:
chow_woman Wrote:
searchinmyroots Wrote:
Okay, lets just agree.
Goy is Patrilineally Jewish!!!
I can't do that. According to her formula, Jesus wouldn't be Jewish.
Chow,
I was just trying to "move on"!!
searchin,
How amazing that you're setting the example over a professed fellow Christian of mine. Also, chow_woman, if you do the math and read Tanakh, you'll know that no Jew but Isaac was, is, or could be 100% ethnically Jewish. Doing the math:
- Isaac was the "son of the promise".
- Isaac married the gentile Rebekah, whose sons were patrilineally Jewish.
- Jacob, 50% Jewish, married two gentile woman who each had a gentile maidservant; and by four gentile moms and one Jewish dad, twelve Jewish boys and a Jewish girl were born.
- Two of the sons, Judah and Joseph, were each 25% Jewish and had sons who were 12.5% Jewish.
- Moses, a "mamzer" whose dad was his mom's nephew, married the gentile Zipporah.
- Later, a Moabite named Ruth married a Jewish man named Boaz who had a gentile mother and had to redeem a Jewish man's family line.
- Obed was 25% Jewish.
08-31-2008, 12:17 AM
GoyOfY'shua Wrote:
searchin,
How amazing that you're setting the example over a professed fellow Christian of mine. Also, chow_woman, if you do the math and read Tanakh, you'll know that no Jew but Isaac was, is, or could be 100% ethnically Jewish. Doing the math:
- Isaac was the "son of the promise".
- Isaac married the gentile Rebekah, whose sons were patrilineally Jewish.
- Jacob, 50% Jewish, married two gentile woman who each had a gentile maidservant; and by four gentile moms and one Jewish dad, twelve Jewish boys and a Jewish girl were born.
- Two of the sons, Judah and Joseph, were each 25% Jewish and had sons who were 12.5% Jewish.
- Moses, a "mamzer" whose dad was his mom's nephew, married the gentile Zipporah.
- Later, a Moabite named Ruth married a Jewish man named Boaz who had a gentile mother and had to redeem a Jewish man's family line.
- Obed was 25% Jewish.
Please, Goy, continue with the "math" and tell me how much Jewish Jesus was patrilineally? And since each side of the geneology had gentile women in it supposedly diluting the blood quota? Also, tell me why Abraham wasn't Jewish after going through circumcision? Your math and theology is flawed because you will not accept that gentile women converted to Judaism and became 100% Jewish women.
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To whom much is given, much is expected (Luke 12:48); and now that I realize that I'm a patrilineal Jew (who, like many other patrilineal Jews, has been shunned by the Hasidic down to the "Conservative" Jewish communities; and some of us didn't know that we were Jewish because if they told us that we were patrilineally Jewish, their whole agenda would be wrecked.), and I am sick and tired of patrilineal Jews being called "mamzers" or "not Jewish, or even at first unaware of our Jewishness.
Goy, as I said in pm, you just seem to want another "rock" to carry in your load. You have brought this "burden" on yourself.
08-31-2008, 02:28 AM
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Many patrilineal Jews who are running from "Conservative", "Orthodox", and "Hasidic" Judaism need to know that there are patrilineally-Jewish Christians who don't shun other patrilineal Jews.
I think that the real message they need is that there is a God who won't shun/cut off/exile them, no matter what people say. And to find their "identity" in Yeshua, not genes. True Yisra'el = "God prevails". Being accepted by people is meaningless, being accepted by God is the only thing worthwhile.
Yeshua said, "I AM the Way -- and the Truth and the Life; no one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6 CJB, regardless of 100% Jewish, 3/16 Jewish, or 0% Jewish.
Once again I post this verse: 1 Timothy 1:3,4 CJB~
"As I counseled you when I was leaving for Macedonia, stay on in Ephesus, so that you may order certain people who are teaching a different doctrine to stop. Have them stop devoting their attention to myths and never-ending genealogies; these divert people to speculating instead of doing God's work, which requires trust. "
-all emphases mine-
Why entertain, or even encourage, "diversion and speculation" about such things? The focus is supposed to be on trust/faith (which has ALWAYS determined "His People" from "Not His People") not on your/our particular standing within any community, Jewish or otherwise.
10-19-2008, 07:22 PM
Goy, I find it interesting that you want to prove your Jewish for no other purpose than to be a Jewish Christian. Why not convert to Judaism so you can denounce it for Christianity? Too much work?