Goy, I find it interesting that you want to prove your Jewish for no other purpose than to be a Jewish Christian. Why not convert to Judaism so you can denounce it for Christianity? Too much work?
What a great idea, LOL.
Goy, I find it interesting that you want to prove your Jewish for no other purpose than to be a Jewish Christian. Why not convert to Judaism so you can denounce it for Christianity? Too much work?
Would you prefer that I fall away (Isaiah 29:13-14, John 6:66, Hebrews 6:4-6), or be an advocate for other patrilineally-Jewish people and Jewish Christians who've been tossed aside by the non-Messianic Jewish community and, in many cases, the Church?
Once again I post this verse: 1 Timothy 1:3,4 CJB~
"As I counseled you when I was leaving for Macedonia, stay on in Ephesus, so that you may order certain people who are teaching a different doctrine to stop. Have them stop devoting their attention to myths and never-ending genealogies; these divert people to speculating instead of doing God's work, which requires trust. "
-all emphases mine-
Why entertain, or even encourage, "diversion and speculation" about such things? The focus is supposed to be on trust/faith (which has ALWAYS determined "His People" from "Not His People") not on your/our particular standing within any community, Jewish or otherwise.
Meanwhile, for me, it could be an issue of trust. Here's the evidenced theory: Julius was a Jewish man who converted to Catholicism to not upset or be persecuted by the Polish and Russian government; but he upset his parents, Antoni and Katarzyna. He, with Anthony and Alexandria, fled Polish Russia; and getting to America, stayed Catholic finding that the treatment of Jewish people wasn't going too much better there, either. Hence started, if not just fully unleashed, Julius' bitterness, etc. Hence, Anthony becomes an angry and embittered man with a dad who was bitter and abusive, and covered up many things; and so begins the cycle that my self-hating Jewish patriarchs couldn't break.
Please, Goy, continue with the "math" and tell me how much Jewish Jesus was patrilineally? And since each side of the geneology had gentile women in it supposedly diluting the blood quota? Also, tell me why Abraham wasn't Jewish after going through circumcision? Your math and theology is flawed because you will not accept that gentile women converted to Judaism and became 100% Jewish women.
To whom much is given, much is expected (Luke 12:48); and now that I realize that I'm a patrilineal Jew (who, like many other patrilineal Jews, has been shunned by the Hasidic down to the "Conservative" Jewish communities; and some of us didn't know that we were Jewish because if they told us that we were patrilineally Jewish, their whole agenda would be wrecked.), and I am sick and tired of patrilineal Jews being called "mamzers" or "not Jewish, or even at first unaware of our Jewishness.
Goy, as I said in pm, you just seem to want another "rock" to carry in your load. You have brought this "burden" on yourself.
How flawed is your thinking! Like I want another burden; or do I disregard and not carry a cross of mine? Also, Mattityahu notes that even the goyot in Y'shua's adoptive line were only-religiously Jewish, if at all that (Mattityahu 1:1-7). Also, Y'shua was fully Jewish per Miryam HaBetulah-bat-Eli and Eli (per that Miryam was a virgin; and that Y'shua, in his human form, had to be like a male clone of Miryam).
Goy, I find it interesting that you want to prove your Jewish for no other purpose than to be a Jewish Christian. Why not convert to Judaism so you can denounce it for Christianity? Too much work?
Oy, Akivareb, you just had to go and stir her up again!!!!
so begins the cycle that my self-hating Jewish patriarchs couldn't break.
-emphasis mine-
Jesus breaks that cycle. (Just like he does
any other sin: abuse, dependency, etc.) Teach YOUR children to find *their identity* in Christ. If you teach them that they are to listen to others to "find/validate" themselves, then you are setting them up for failure.
The only "validation" we should be seeking is God's. And it is NOT based on bloodlines. It is based on HEARTLINES/FAITH.
And I *pray* that you are able to lead them to that conclusion based on
your own example.
Neglect our family histories? No. Learn from them? Yes. From a BIBLICAL perspective.
I don't know how to say it any differently: there are TWO PEOPLES- His and Not His. There are NO HYBRIDS.
One Root,
one Vine/Tree,
one Fruit.
Goy, I can relate to you, your family story is not that different from my own. My family line fled Spain to go to France. In the early 1600's, they ran from there to go to New France (Quebec). In the 1800's the French king was persecuting again, and after a young girl who refused to hide her identity was deported back to France to be killed, my family fled New France for the States and fought against the French in Missouri, for the English.
So ingrained was the hiding mentality by then (and the fact they settled into an area where there was no synagogue), and the bitterness, that it was not mentioned except to hide it, by the time my father's generation came around. My father was bitter, and had been ridiculed over the whisper of it as a child (I found out later through a family friend), still settled in this same non-Jewish area.
I had no idea we were Jewish until 2 years ago. I have found many families with Jewish roots from that area, who have no idea they are of Jewish descent, either. Most of them came from New France about the same time period, and apparently they elected to also stay hidden.
Now, the funny in a G-d sort of way, thing is; about 14 years ago I had a dream in which someone asked me what denomination I was. This has been a nearly constant question in my walk, by virtue of the things He teaches me have had a decidedly Jewish OT slant and most of the Christians I was in contact with were of the opinion that I should "not bother much with the OT because it's just history". Fortunately for me, the Spirit had other ideas. So in the dream, I answer, "Well, I guess you could say I'm a JEWISH Christian."
I thought He was just being funny in giving me a reply. Turns out the "joke" was on me. Now I could have lived my whole life never knowing why I was buying antique tapestries with Hebrew on them from antique stores 30 years ago (didn't even know it was Hebrew having never seen any at that point), or why I couldn't eat meat that I didn't boil first with salt water (started doing this immediately after meeting the Spirit 23 years ago with no visible explanation of why I felt compelled to do this), or why I remembered my grandmother's admonition to never eat an egg if it had any blood in it (never gave an explanation for it and I had never connected it), but the point is G-d had other ideas.
To be continued.....
Part 2.....
He said He would bring them in from the north, south, east and west, and this is a hand of the Spirit kind of thing, that is irresistible as He is drawing us, and there are literally thousands I found out, from all nations, that are awakening to their true identity. So many thousands in fact, a college professor is doing research on the hypothesis of "genetic memory", because the worldly people have no idea that the Spirit of G-d is at work in this.
So for me, it matters not who on the face of the earth thinks I'm Jewish, because it has clearly already been established in heaven, as the Spirit of G-d is making the determination, by not allowing one drop of Jewish blood to lie in the "dust" uncalled and unaccounted for. We serve an awesome G-d, to Him be all glory, honor and praise.
To reiterate a question ask earlier in one of these threads...
why do many Messianics try so hard to "prove" they are Jewish?
Why do they feel the need to be considered as being Jews?
We are all acceptable to G-d, Jew or Gentile.
Why the need to try to be a Jew?
*scratching head, wondering*.....
Because it's not US doing it; this was a revelation to me by the Spirit, no different than a revelation in the Word from the Spirit.
Additionally, Joseph's (He shall add another) bones were taken out of Egypt (a type of the flesh/gentile). The bones are identified with the Jewish people, because the bones and the law are synonymous. It was Yeshua who put "meat" on those bones of the law, covering them over with glorified "celestial" flesh, just as the mercy seat covered over the tablets of the law.
He's simply calling ALL His bones out of "Egypt" now, because the time has come for Him to do so. Blessings.....