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I am a Messianic teenage Jew, and this is my question;

Was God's covenant with Israel conditional or unconditional? Did the
Israelites break the covenant and so God moved the promise to the
gentiles? Or do the Israelites still have a special covenant with God and
every Jew will be saved? I know someone who believes that the Jews are still the chosen people of God, and that Christian gentials are just "let in" to the promise. I also know someone else that says the Jews broke the covenant with God, and so now his covenant is with all true believers. Im stuck in the middle! Can anyone help?

One of the beautifull teksts in the Christian Testament is I think the following. (it even comes close to a Tekst of Rabbi Nachman, that is written much later.)

R. Nachman means, that a branch can start to grow big, maybe even bigger than it's Teacher. But if by that he unroots the root (teacher) both will be destroyed.
My interpretation as far as I remember the teaching: So a Student can go his way (within staying on the root, so stay on the tradition, familytree etc.) have his own opinions etc. But should not become so bold to think He is much stronger than former Teachers, and can overrule all rules.

So In the Christian Testament is written:
My interpretation as far as I remember the teaching: That there might be branches of Jews cut off. But they have the promise to come back... Then it's written that strange branges are ented on the root next to branches that still exists. (Christians next to Jews who still do their job)... And that the new ented branches certainly can't fight against the root.

1. Thing you can learn from it is that Jews still have the promise, I think!
2. The new ented branches, don't have here the promise that if they fall off again, will be accepted back...
(i don't know if it means the following That comes close to Christians who base their stronghold on faith: will not be Christian accepted, if they stop believing... But Jews where allready prommised as a Nation to have the Promise. And who-ever blesses Abraham will be blessed etc.

It's just one of the explanations I think. But for me the most logicall one (within Christian Thinking).

Shalom Reeba.

I am not sure I should address what I am still studying, but will offer what I feel Messiah wants said:

The covenant with Israel is unconditional, except when His word says 'If' you will do ....  'then' I will do...  To Abraham, God said: I will give to you (unconditional).  To Moshi, God said: If you ....  I will ... (conditional).

Do not listen to anyone saying that 'Christians' are the inheritors, and Israel is cast aside.  They are absolutely wrong.  Christians are 'grafted' into the family of God, not 'just "let in" to the promise.'  Your friend is also wrong, about that part.

Israel did break the covenant, continuously (on and off) since Moshi received them.  God took Israel to wife, and will never reject Israel.  When He performs the great cleansing of the heart and mind, and returns,  all He will be doing will be for His Glory and namesake, not for how good Israeli, nor any other person, has been, or has become.

Please read Eze 36:22-39, and especially Rom 3:1-10.  

Study the Bible, word by word, asking for understanding through the Holly Spirit.  As you gain knowledge, and understanding, you will mature in wisdom.

May you live by, and grow in God's word

In Messiah, Shalom to you, and to one and all.  Arley

Some covenants in the Bible made with the seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were conditional... while others were not conditional and very much eternal in nature. The Bible must be divided regarding covenants and not btw the Old and New; for some Old Testament Covenants are still very much in place today while the Mosaic covenant has been broken.

Study the biblical covenants and your question will be answered.

shalom

P.S. If this information is not enough just let me know and I will send you a comprehensive word study on your topic and question.

Unconditional. Even though Israel strayed over and over, the Promise was fulfilled. Yeshua is Abraham's promised seed. He, the Apex of Israel, is the Light of the world.




No. This is false teaching. When God makes a promise He does not break it.




I don't think that scripture ever says EVERY JEW would be saved. God has a one-to-one relationship with us, and always has. It is our faith in Him/His Promise that saves; not lineage, not works.

Hebrews/Messianic Jews 11:1-13 CJB

Israel is STILL God's chosen. He is not finished with Israel. The prophecies foretold about Messiah coming as Conquering King have yet to unfold. And they won't be happening in America, or England, or Brazil. They will be happening in Israel (the land), through Israel (His people).

That's my opinion from what I read in scripture. (FTR~ I am a Gentile Believer.)

Quote;
"Or do the Israelites still have a special covenant with God and
every Jew will be saved?"


Isaiah 45:
17 O Israel, that art saved by HaShem with an everlasting salvation; ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

Shalom, Reeba!

God does not break covenants.  If He did, then we as Messianics, Christians, etc., would not stand a chance.  I personally believe that His covenant is unconditional; just as the covenant that I have with Jesus is unconditional.  The Jews have always been and will always be His chosen ones.  If He were to actually break a covenant, imagine what that would do for everyone else also.  Jesus came as a covenant for the lost.  You see, as Romans tells us, we have been "grafted" on.  Therefore Paul warns about arrogance and what the circumstances would be if that happens.  Would we ever want to even think that He would break his covenant with us?  No way!  I'm glad they are His chosen people and I love learning from them.   Blessings!

Here is a message I got off another site....maybey this will help
Dear Inquirer,

In Reformed circles that the Noahic, Abrahamic and Davidic covenants are considered unconditional, and that the Adamic and Mosaic covenants were conditional. This view has characterized traditional Reformed thinking and teaching. However, this is an area in which I differ from our Reformed predecessors. At Third Millennium we teach that all the covenants were conditional.

One way to make this point is to appeal to the other traditional Reformed teaching that there is one covenant of grace under various administrations. If there is only one covenant, it does not make sense to say that this covenant switches back and forth between being conditional and unconditional. Since subsequent administrations assume and build on the terms of preceding administrations, the conditions of the earlier covenants also apply to the latter covenants.

Also, Scripture demonstrates that each of the covenant administrations really is conditional. Perhaps the easiest way to see this is to notice that none of the covenant administrations actually bestows its blessings upon everyone under that covenant administration:

Adamic: All mankind is under the Adamic covenant, but not all mankind is saved - some people go to hell. This could not happen if the Adamic promised salvation unconditionally. If one blessing of the Adamic covenant is redemption, and that administration is unconditional, then all people must be saved.

Noahic: All mankind is under the Noahic covenant, but not all mankind is saved. The Noahic covenant administration assumes all prior covenant stipulations, blessings, curses, etc., specifically of the Adamic covenant. Therefore, it also offers redemption/salvation as a blessing. Since not all people are saved, it must be conditional. Further, there are actual stipulations and curses listed in the institution of the Noahic covenant, namely that the one who sheds man's blood must die. Not shedding man's blood is an explicit condition of receiving the covenant blessings.

Abrahamic: Again, if the covenant is unconditional, then everyone under it must be saved. But clearly not all who are bound in the Abrahamic covenant have been, are, or will be saved. For example, many ancient Israelites perished in their sins. Moreover, explicit covenant conditions are listed in the institution and confirmation of the Abrahamic covenant. In Genesis 17:1-2, the covenant condition is: walk before God and be blameless. In Genesis 17:14, we also learn that one who is not circumcised falls under the covenant curse because he has broken the covenant. One cannot break an unconditional covenant; to break a covenant is to violate its conditons.

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Mosaic: No one to my knowledge has argued that this covenant was not conditional. In any event, its conditions are clearly detailed in the books of the Law, and chapters such as Leviticus 26 clearly indicate the conditional nature of its blessings and curses. And of course, many under this covenant have not received its blessings (e.g. the first generation of Israelites that left Egypt and perished in the wilderness).



Davidic: 2 Chronicles 6:16 records that the promise made to David included an explicit condition: "if only your sons take heed to their way, to walk in my law as you have walked before me."



Finally, the culmination of all the covenant administrations is the administration under Christ. Christ himself had to die to fulfill the terms of the covenant, making his administration undoubtedly conditional. None of this is to say that we may earn salvation on our own; no matter which covenant administration we look at, we cannot keep its terms. Thus, we always rely on God's grace and forgiveness in order to receive his covenant blessings. There is no blessing we can claim if we reject him; and if we receive him we also receive his blessings only because Christ has fulfilled the conditions on our behalf.



Did the Israelites break the covenant and so God moved the promise to the gentiles?



Yes, but this was always God’s plan (many nations – Gen. 17:4-6).



Or do the Israelites still have a special covenant with God and every Jew will be saved?



Only elect Israel had this covenant  - not all Israel, for not all Israel is Israel (Rom. 2:28-29). Therefore God is speaking of the invisible church here. There is a visible church – all who profess Christ and the invisible church – all who are truly elect.



I know someone who believes that the Jews are still the chosen people of God, and that Christian gentials are just "let

in" to the promise. I also know someone else that says the Jews broke the covenant with God, and so now his covenant is with all true believers. Im stuck in the middle! Can you help?



Elect Israel are God’s chosen people (Rom. 11) and Gentiles are engrafted in (per God’s original plan) – Christian Gentiles are made Jews (adoption).



I think if you read the following articles it will help (and it is VERY confusing at first to get a grip on all of it – you are not alone in this):


Engrafted, Not Replaced

An exegetical evaluation of Galatians 3:25-29


Introduction to Redemptive History



Redemptive History, part two

The Adamic Administration of the Covenant

I would agree with this statement, and change my answer to "conditional": having faith in God's Word and His Promised One/Provision IS THE ONLY condition. And as it has always been, since Adam. (cf: the scriptures I linked above)