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For the formal answer from Jews For Jesus proper, might I suggest reading this article: Baptism—Pagan or Jewish?

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Jewish Proselyte Baptism Compared with New Covenant Baptism

While in many aspects the symbolism of New Covenant baptism coincides with the symbolism of proselyte baptism, there are some important differences, especially in their respective roles. Maimonides listed the three requirements for Gentile proselytes to Judaism as circumcision, baptism and sacrifice, presumably in that order. Both Jewish and Gentile believers in the Messiah fulfill their commitment of faith in all three of these requirements. But they do it in a different order, and in a different way.

In New Covenant faith, sacrifice comes first. Because he recognized that the Jewish people have no place of sacrifice since the destruction of the Holy Temple, Maimonides temporarily waived this requirement until such time as the Temple should be rebuilt. But Maimonides failed to realize that God never waived that requirement for atonement through sacrifice. Indeed, that is why he sent the Messiah before the Temple was destroyed, so that Messiah could atone for sin once and for all—so that all who believed in him would not be left without an acceptable sacrifice for sin.




Here is a link to a SUPER BASIC BIBLE STUDY about Baptism...

http://justgivemetruth.com/viewtopic.php?t=1711
Jans Wrote:
...Baptism is Mikvah, but there are I believe there are differences between what is commanded in the Tenakh vs. the New Covenant. Baptism is viewed as a one time thing while the Mosaic laws concerning the Mikvah requires going to the mikvah multiple times a year for various reasons.

Faith: Great description Jans.

s76yu12, Mikvah (Baptism) is totally Jewish (Mosaic Torah) originated.

Here're more Mikvah links:  

http://jesus-messiah.com/html/mikveh.html
http://www.haydid.org/ronimmer.htm
Jans Wrote:

searchinmyroots Wrote:

SMR:

If I am correct, this is not accurate. The majority are NOT Jews.

If I am not correct, then someone please let me know.

Then again, there is a wide open interpetation of what or who a "Jew" is.

You can be a Jew by birth, but not believe in Judaism as given in the Hebrew Bible.

Off topic of your question, I apologize.

I will let the others who post on this forum answer your original question.

I just think most of the answers will not be from "Jews", but I may be wrong.


Jews for Jesus has a strict requirement that in order to be a Jews for Jesus missionary, you have to be Jewish or married to a Jewish person (in the case of couples).  So the majority of those who work for Jews for Jesus are Jewish.

However, I think there are more Gentiles for Jesus then Jews for Jesus who participate on this forum.  



Jans,
Thanks for the clarification.

Question though. Sometimes during your campaigns, I notice there are other "organizations" that may go out in the streets. Such as the recent BYG campaign. I was in NYC during that and noticed people from all over the country handing out pamphlets. I don't think all of them had a Jewish "affiliation".
searchinmyroots Wrote:

Jans Wrote:

searchinmyroots Wrote:

SMR:

If I am correct, this is not accurate. The majority are NOT Jews.

If I am not correct, then someone please let me know.

Then again, there is a wide open interpetation of what or who a "Jew" is.

You can be a Jew by birth, but not believe in Judaism as given in the Hebrew Bible.

Off topic of your question, I apologize.

I will let the others who post on this forum answer your original question.

I just think most of the answers will not be from "Jews", but I may be wrong.


Jews for Jesus has a strict requirement that in order to be a Jews for Jesus missionary, you have to be Jewish or married to a Jewish person (in the case of couples).  So the majority of those who work for Jews for Jesus are Jewish.

However, I think there are more Gentiles for Jesus then Jews for Jesus who participate on this forum.  



Jans,
Thanks for the clarification.

Question though. Sometimes during your campaigns, I notice there are other "organizations" that may go out in the streets. Such as the recent BYG campaign. I was in NYC during that and noticed people from all over the country handing out pamphlets. I don't think all of them had a Jewish "affiliation".



During the BYG campaigns, in some cities, some Gentiles joined in alongsider Jews for Jesus. The majority were Jewish.


If I remember correctly, for the BYG in NYC, all who were on the streets with Jews for Jesus were Jewish or had Jewish spouses.

I wouldn't know if there were other organizations on the streets at the same time or not. Jews for Jesus is easy to spot because of the t-shirts.
Jans,

Thank you for your reply.

So what you are saying (I think) is that during the BYG campaign those from j4j were Jewish or had an affiliation, but others from outside organizations may not have.

Correct?

Only because I came across more "outsiders" than j4j (as noted by their shirts as you pointed out). None of them that I met were of Jewish affiliation.


But you answered the original question when you said;
" Jews for Jesus has a strict requirement that in order to be a Jews for Jesus missionary, you have to be Jewish or married to a Jewish person (in the case of couples).  So the majority of those who work for Jews for Jesus are Jewish.

However, I think there are more Gentiles for Jesus then Jews for Jesus who participate on this forum. "


Thank you.  
Jans Wrote:

searchinmyroots Wrote:

SMR:

If I am correct, this is not accurate. The majority are NOT Jews.

If I am not correct, then someone please let me know.

Then again, there is a wide open interpetation of what or who a "Jew" is.

You can be a Jew by birth, but not believe in Judaism as given in the Hebrew Bible.

Off topic of your question, I apologize.

I will let the others who post on this forum answer your original question.

I just think most of the answers will not be from "Jews", but I may be wrong.


Jews for Jesus has a strict requirement that in order to be a Jews for Jesus missionary, you have to be Jewish or married to a Jewish person (in the case of couples).  So the majority of those who work for Jews for Jesus are Jewish.

However, I think there are more Gentiles for Jesus then Jews for Jesus who participate on this forum.  


Dont understand this....

So if I am not Jewish, I have to do a orthodox Jewish conversion, and then convert to Jews for Judaism? or else i cannot be a Jew 4 Jesus?  
Chayim Wrote:

Dont understand this....

So if I am not Jewish, I have to do a orthodox Jewish conversion, and then convert to Jews for Judaism? or else i cannot be a Jew 4 Jesus?  


A Jew for Jesus is a Jewish believer in Jesus of Nazareth as the Word of God (John 1), Son of God and Son of Man (John 3:16, Matthew 24:30, Daniel 7:9-14) and God the Son (John 8:58, Matthew 28:9-10, 16-20).
Ripley's Wrote:

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Oh, really? Jewish and gentile people have to segregate themselves? Jewish people aren't allowed in churches?


Gee, Goy, she explained it here:

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*Note: Jews and Gentiles are one in Christ, but in consideration of cultural sensitivities it is recommended Jews attend Messianic Synogogues.



You have said that you aren't just a Gentile sitting there listening to the history of the Jews and not really feeling it (like you do now with your newfound lineage). I would think you, above me, would understand those "sensativities".



I have one Jewish Catholic friend that celebrates only Hanukkah and at least occasionally, if at all anymore, the other Yomim-Noraim. I have another Jewish friend, a Presbyterian, who doesn't celebrate any of the traditional Yomim-Noraim.
Faith Wrote:

Jans Wrote:
...Baptism is Mikvah, but there are I believe there are differences between what is commanded in the Tenakh vs. the New Covenant. Baptism is viewed as a one time thing while the Mosaic laws concerning the Mikvah requires going to the mikvah multiple times a year for various reasons.

Faith: Great description Jans.

s76yu12, Mikvah (Baptism) is totally Jewish (Mosaic Torah) originated.

Here're more Mikvah links:  

http://jesus-messiah.com/html/mikveh.html
http://www.haydid.org/ronimmer.htm


Of course, Jesus-Messiah.com also doesn't believe in the Trinity.
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