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This is on a forum on Messianic Judaism I've posted on, but I am a Gentile believer, not Jewish.  I hope this is okay to ask here.  Thank you.

Welcome Friend;I am a Gentile believer also of Christ, which makes me 2nd. qualified. To believe Judaism is to believe in Jesus, as He was a fulfilment to these scriptures. We are the wild olive branch grafted to the Olive tree, which bears the root's of Israel. To believe in Jesus is to become adopted into the children of Abraham. I have learned immensily by digging into the interpretation of Hebrew scriptures and Judaism and finding my belief in Christ verified. There are two interpretations to scripture as I believe the events happened as it was written of the events of that time period in part, but they speak another language of the same G-d predicting His son; ReadZechariah8;22,9;9,Chapters 11;10-13,chapters;12-13- 14;1,2,3;Isaiah 50-6; 52;13-15, chapters; 53,65,Deutoronomy 21;23malachi 3; Micah 5;2; Jeremiah,  31;15,16, Psalm 22, and the whole Testament speaks His name. Jesus fulfilled, and didn't change Judaism. Christians need the trunk and roots to grow, as the tree needs the limbs for fruit, I wish you fulfilment as well.This is a great Posting for Christianity and Judaism!As I believe them the same. Together they are invincible!I'm sure everyone will love that comment?

I've worship in groups that considered themselves Messianic Jews for a years.  They vary greatly.  Most are groups of Christian trying to learn and understand Torah.  Many peoples first steps are the feast days.  They also have a wish to include Jewish membership but no ideas on how to gain Jewish members.  Most groups at least read the Torah cycle and discuss Torah then the prophet and lastly the "New Testament, New Covenant, Christian scriptures."  Which label is used depends on the group.  While the first group I was apart of had Jewish members defined as people who were raised within Judaism, most of the newer groups have 0 Jewish members.  While the intent on most groups is to follow Yeshua as a first century version of Jesus they differ on what that looks like.

There are some Gentile groups which now use the title, 'Messianic' for their group and places of worship. These new groups will typically have no Messianic Jewish people attending. These groups have some theological beliefs which are not accepted by Messianic Judaism.

If you visit or attend a place of worship which calls itself Messianic but does not have any Messianic Jewish people, it would not be Messianic Judaism but probably affiliated or hold the beliefs of the Gentile groups. The two largest Messianic Jewish organizations, the MJAA, and the UMJC, require that Messianic Jewish people are members of the Messianic Jewish synagogue in order for the synagogue to be a member of their organizations.

In most Messianic Jewish synagogues, there are more Gentile believers attending then Jewish believers. Jewish people have always been few in number so Jewish believers are even fewew in number.

Jan
How are you defining Messianic Jewish people?

Shalom Aleichem,
too long ago that are a believer and follower of Christ, study the phenomenon of Judaism Messianic, listening also several testimonies of brothers Jews believe in Christ, but still respectable in the Jewish commandments and this makes me extremely happy, because everyone can praise the Lord Jesus Christ, while Jews, because that will include the divine message that God wanted us to have the days of the fathers of our father had already recognized, but today the Messianic Jews are in line with Christianity for the Trinitarian view of God and the belief that Jesus (Yeshua) is the word incarnate. Some fringe groups tend to reject the Trinitarian vision, but are excluded from the movement as the official Jehovah's Witnesses by Christianity. Despite comply fully with the Mosaic Law, Messianic Jews are harshly opposed by other Jews. Recently in Israel have also been subject to persecution and discrimination because seen as Christians who subtly trying to assimilate the Jews to the Gentiles, they are denied citizenship in the Jewish law of return as seen as converted away from Judaism.

One day soon my friend ;I believe in our generation that has seen Israel again form into a gathering of her peope back into the Nation[1948]; some shall still be alive to see G-d's turning back,and the Messiahs return ,and all shall know Him,and this debate shall end! as G-d's covenant promises! Shalom

SuperRomu
A little over a year ago they changed the law of return to include Christians even while they believed that those who were requesting the change were missionaries. While the Jews were correct in their assumption they changed the law anyways.  I know because last summer I visited the Messianic Congregation responsible.   The leader is Jewish and him and his daughter who lives in Israel are lawyers.  One of their congregations goal is to be missionaries in Israel.

Christians have always had the right to make aliyah if they fall
under the guidelines of the law of return, ie at least one Jewish
grandparent or married to a Jew. They don't have to be Jewish
themselves.

The law of return has gotten fairly messy.

Sheitl is right, that when Israel became a nation, on the heels of Nazi Germany, any person who wanted to immigrate who had at least one Jewish parent or one Jewish grandparent could immigrate under the law of return. Hitlers Germany classified a person with one Jewish grandparent as Jewish, so Israel wanted to offer a place for those with one Jewish grandparent to escape to, even though one Jewish grandparent doesn't mean a person is Jewish.

In todays Judaism, Reform Jews classifies a person as Jewish if the father is Jewish but mother is not Jewish. That person would grow up identifying themselves as Jewish but Orthodox Judaism does not recognize them as Jewish. Even if the mother converted in a reform synagogue, Orthodox would not recognize the child as Jewish.

In Israel, the special immigration rights under law of return excludes Jewish people who believe Yeshua is the Messiach and have been baptized. Under that law, children whose father was Jewish but mother wasn't, who were raised reform Judaism and came to believe in Yeshua were excluded from the law of return.

A Messianic synagogue pointed out in court that people whose father is Jewish but not the mother, according to Orthodoxy, should have the rights under the law of return since Israel does not consider them Jewish and therefore they are not Jews who came to believe in Jesus and were baptized but rather non-Jews who believe on Jesus with a Jewish grandparent (or father). They won in court.