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This proof really helped me ,
I had to relearn what I knew about Jesus Christ, because my Watchtower training had taught me that He was Michael, The Archangel.
I discovered that this teaching directly conflicts with John 8:58, where Jesus states, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am" (ego eimi in Greek). This same ego eimi was stated by God, the Father, in Exodus 3:14, "...I AM has sent me to you."

Jesus -"THERE IS ONE GOD"- Yahweh
John 1:3
Col. 1:12-27
Heb. 1:8-12 CREATOR Job 33:4
Isa. 40:28
Gen. 1:1
Rev. 1:17
Rev. 2:8
Rev. 22:13 FIRST AND LAST Isa. 41:4
Isa. 43:10
Isa. 44:6
Isa. 48:12
John 8:24, 58
John 13:19
John 18:5 I AM
(ego eimi) Ex. 3:14
Isa. 43:10
Deut.32:39
II Tim 4:1
II Cor.5:10
Rom. 14:10 JUDGE Gen. 18:25
Joel 3:12
Matt. 2:1-6
Luke 23:3
John 19:21 KING Jer. 10:10
Isa. 44:6-8
Ps. 47
John 8:12
Luke 2:32
John 1:9 LIGHT Ps. 27:1
Isa. 60:20
I Cor.10:4
I Pet. 2:6-8 ROCK Deut.32:4
II Sam.22:32
Isa. 17:10
John 4:42
Acts 4:12
Acts 20:28
I John 4:14 SAVIOR Isa. 43:3
Isa. 45:21-23
Ps. 106:21
John 10:1
Heb. 13:20
I Pet. 5:4 SHEPHERD Ps. 23
Ps. 100
Isa. 40:11

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I discovered that this teaching directly conflicts with John 8:58, where Jesus states, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am" (ego eimi in Greek). This same ego eimi was stated by God, the Father, in Exodus 3:14, "...I AM has sent me to you."

Jesus -"THERE IS ONE GOD"- Yahweh

However, you don't believe in "one God".. you still believe in two (at least, unless you think the Spirit is -a- God too, then you believe in three.)

There is no way around this.

Father God + Jesus God = two Gods = polytheism, not Hebraic/Biblical monotheism

You aren't as far away from JW teaching as you think, Anja. You rightly reject their working for salvation and many other unbiblical doctrines, but you still cling to a created Jesus, their teaching, which is no God at all.

Those who are not with me are against me, and those who do not gather with me are scattering.
"When an unclean spirit comes out of a person, it travels through dry country seeking rest. On finding none, it says, `I will return to the house I left.' When it arrives, it finds the house swept clean and put in order. Then it goes and takes seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they come and live there -- so that in the end the person is worse off than he was before."
Luke 11:23-26 CJV

Yes, the Father is YHWH. Yes, Jesus is YHWH. And, yes, the Spirit is YHWH. The triune Godhead is not an RCC formulation. Keep studying, He will show you.

Ripley's Wrote:

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I discovered that this teaching directly conflicts with John 8:58, where Jesus states, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am" (ego eimi in Greek). This same ego eimi was stated by God, the Father, in Exodus 3:14, "...I AM has sent me to you."

Jesus -"THERE IS ONE GOD"- Yahweh

However, you don't believe in "one God".. you still believe in two (at least, unless you think the Spirit is -a- God too, then you believe in three.)

There is no way around this.

Father God + Jesus God = two Gods = polytheism, not Hebraic/Biblical monotheism

You aren't as far away from JW teaching as you think, Anja. You rightly reject their working for salvation and many other unbiblical doctrines, but you still cling to a created Jesus, their teaching, which is no God at all.

Those who are not with me are against me, and those who do not gather with me are scattering.
"When an unclean spirit comes out of a person, it travels through dry country seeking rest. On finding none, it says, `I will return to the house I left.' When it arrives, it finds the house swept clean and put in order. Then it goes and takes seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they come and live there -- so that in the end the person is worse off than he was before."
Luke 11:23-26 CJV

Yes, the Father is YHWH. Yes, Jesus is YHWH. And, yes, the Spirit is YHWH. The triune Godhead is not an RCC formulation. Keep studying, He will show you.

Yes it hard for some to understand that jesus is not The father but yet all 3 still being one in essence.

If they each had there own essence that be 3 gods.

They???
They!!!
They could not ever be a "they"...
because there is NO such thing as god being a "they"...
"They" are not one in essance because "They are one in NUMBER!

The most basic doctrin of truth is this!
There is only ONE GOD...
There has always been one God...
And there will alway be only ONE God...

And the ONE and only Living GOD became a man, died in our place for our sins, arose again from the dead, and then poured Himself out as Spirit on all Mankind who trust in His name "Yeshuah".

"The Mystery" of God is really just as simple as that....

Steadfast Wrote:

They???
They!!!
They could not ever be a "they"...
because there is NO such thing as god being a "they"...
"They" are not one in essance because "They are one in NUMBER!

The most basic doctrin of truth is this!
There is only ONE GOD...
There has always been one God...
And there will alway be only ONE God...

And the ONE and only Living GOD became a man, died in our place for our sins, arose again from the dead, and then poured Himself out as Spirit on all Mankind who trust in His name "Yeshuah".

"The Mystery" of God is really just as simple as that....

education yourself with these links.

http://www.velocity.net/~edju/web/Trinity7.htm

http://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-onen...-echad.htm

http://www.gospeloutreach.net/optrin.html

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And the ONE and only Living GOD became a man, died in our place for our sins, arose again from the dead, and then poured Himself out as Spirit on all Mankind who trust in His name "Yeshuah".

And yet, He spoke of HIS Father.

So, expalin that, if they are the same being. One cannot possess something that they are. Jesus said, "I and the Father are one." He did not say, "I am the Father."

And, of course, the scripture I already quoted in another thread, from Jesus' own lips:
John 8:54- Yeshua answered, "If I praise myself, my praise counts for nothing. The One who is praising me is my Father, the very one about whom you keep saying, `He is our God.'

-emphasis mine-

Ripley's Wrote:

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I discovered that this teaching directly conflicts with John 8:58, where Jesus states, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am" (ego eimi in Greek). This same ego eimi was stated by God, the Father, in Exodus 3:14, "...I AM has sent me to you."

Jesus -"THERE IS ONE GOD"- Yahweh

However, you don't believe in "one God".. you still believe in two (at least, unless you think the Spirit is -a- God too, then you believe in three.)

Well I do believe in just ONE FORMED GOD SON ,WHO IS CALLED JEHOVAH in the OT and Yah,shua and the NT

There is no way around this.
Anja says : Amen ,there is no way around GOD the SON
The Only Son ever Formed as God
Before him no God Son is ever formed ore will be formed after Him,

Father God + Jesus God = two Gods = polytheism, not Hebraic/Biblical monotheism

Anja says : No dear ripley

To me some thing that is formed must have his former
The Eternal Father the one we never did hear nor seen but ONLY the Son HE formed his ONLY ONE GOD SON Jehovah Jesus .

Ripley says ;You aren't as far away from JW teaching as you think, Anja. You rightly reject their working for salvation and many other unbiblical doctrines, but you still cling to a created Jesus, their teaching, which is no God at all.

Anja says : well Ripley what I say above is as fare as the moon of the theaching of the WTO
Their hair would fall of their heads if they would see what i wrote here Cheesygrin

Ripley said:[color=blue]Those who are not with me are against me, and those who do not gather with me are scattering.
"When an unclean spirit comes out of a person, it travels through dry country seeking rest. On finding none, it says, `I will return to the house I left.' When it arrives, it finds the house swept clean and put in order. Then it goes and takes seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they come and live there -- so that in the end the person is worse off than he was before."
Luke 11:23-26 CJV
Anja says : well i understand why you try to put me in this box
But am not alone in this ,many more know Who Jesus realy is .

Not a trinity God anyway !

Ripley says : Yes, the Father is YHWH.
Anja says : So Who is your father ?
Who did create you  ?
It is your own saviour Yeshua .
Col1;15-17
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
(the first formed God )

For IN HIM WERE CREATED c ALL THINGS in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things were created through him and for him.
For in him all the fullness  was pleased to dwell,

Yes, Jesus is YHWH your God ,the ever only formed God SON
Anja says :Amen

The triune Godhead is not an RCC formulation.
Anja says :
Your right it is a Babylonic tinity God created by religion men  .

Keep studying, He will show you.

Ripley's Wrote:

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And the ONE and only Living GOD became a man, died in our place for our sins, arose again from the dead, and then poured Himself out as Spirit on all Mankind who trust in His name "Yeshuah".

And yet, He spoke of HIS Father.

So, expalin that, if they are the same being. One cannot possess something that they are. Jesus said, "I and the Father are one." He did not say, "I am the Father."

And, of course, the scripture I already quoted in another thread, from Jesus' own lips:
John 8:54- Yeshua answered, "If I praise myself, my praise counts for nothing. The One who is praising me is my Father, the very one about whom you keep saying, `He is our God.'

-emphasis mine-

See What religion does ?
Confusion ?

They make it so hard ,
But the truth is that even litlle children can see what many of you do not see
There is known unto us JUST ONE

THE SON

ONE GOD EVER FORMED .

Yah,shua is his name
All is through him

His Father we do not know yet .
Thi is why Jesus himself did say to his own children the jews
Joh 5;37 Moreover, the Father who sent me has testified on my behalf. But you have never heard his voice nor seen his form,

To me it is so simple Cheesygrin

NO ONE ever did hear him ore seen him .
All is through His Son Jehovah/Jesus

We just dont know his form but we only know the ONE FORMED GOD SON Yah,shuah
  1Cor 15 :  For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.

    11 The last enemy to be destroyed is death,

    12 for "he subjected everything under his feet." But when it says that everything has been subjected, it is clear that it excludes the one who subjected everything to him.
28
    When everything is subjected to him , then the Son himself will (also) be subjected to the one who subjected everything to him, so that God may be all in all.

I tend to agree with Ripley's here. If Jesus WAS GOD, then all of creation would have died on the cross, right? You simply cannot KILL GOD! I believe in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. I believe that they, while yes, do work in unison, they are still separate. Also, Jesus didn't go to the garden and pray to himself. He addressed "Father". If he was God, then there would have been no point in Him praying.

ShalomInMessiah Wrote:

I tend to agree with Ripley's here. If Jesus WAS GOD, then all of creation would have died on the cross, right? You simply cannot KILL GOD! I believe in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. I believe that they, while yes, do work in unison, they are still separate. Also, Jesus didn't go to the garden and pray to himself. He addressed "Father". If he was God, then there would have been no point in Him praying.

And the Judeans answered him, “We don’t stone you for a good work, but for blasphemy: because you, being a man, make yourself God.”

Yoch 10:34,35
Yeshua answered them, “Isn’t it written in your law, ‘I said, you are gods?’
If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture can’t be broken), do you say of him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said,
"I AM " the Son of God?’

Yeshua =your creator =Jehovah , he is your father and creator.
He said
’  If I don’t do the works of my Father, don’t believe me. But if I do them, though you don’t believe me, believe the works; that you may know and believe that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.”

Yoch16:1 “These things have I spoken to you, so that you wouldn’t be caused to stumble.  16:2 They will put you out of the synagogues. Yes, the time comes that whoever kills you will think that he offers service to God.  16:3 They will do these things* because they have not known the Father, nor me.

Yoch 20:28 Thomas answered him,
“My Lord (Yeshua)AND MY GOD (Jehovah)!”

Thomas did follow one God his name is Jehovah
and he is THE SON.

Yoch 14:9 Yeshua said to him, “Have I been with you such a long time, and DO YOU NOT KNOW ME , Philip?
He who has seen me (Yeshua) has seen the Father(Jehovah)

Yoch 10
I lay down my life, that I may take it again.
10:18 No one takes it away from me, but I LAY IT DOWN BY MYSELF
I HAVE POWER TO LY IT DOWN , and I HAVE POWER TO TAKE IT AGAIN

I received this commandment from my Father.”