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V. Good article


http://www.lightforthelastdays.co.uk/view_page.asp?page_id=168§ion_id=1&menu_id=223

Great article!



I don't know that I hold to a pre-trib rapture, I tend to go with a mid-trib/pre-wrath rapture....but NOT dogmatic about it. "Be ready!" is what's important.

But I highlighted this section to say that this includes ALL BELIEVERS/FOLLOWERS OF MESSIAH: Jew and Gentile. Not to say that Messianic Jews are "left behind"...there seems to be great confusion about who "the church" is. Peter and Paul were Jews, and (part of) the church/ecclesia. (They were born into the cultivated vine, not cut off, we non-Jews, were grafted in. One Vine.)



-emphasis mine-
The work that God will complete with Israel, the Nation, are the Jews/Israel who do not, or did not, believe in Yeshua the Messiah's first coming, but will when they see Him descending in the cloud:



HALLELUJAH!




AMEN!!

Another two very good articles:

One

Two

I not too sure when the rapture will take place but all I know The pre-trib view is dated way before the 1800s  there are writtings from Believers from certain sects over 700 or more years looking for The  rapture before the tribulation.


http://www.pre-trib.org/article-view.php?id=250

As for me, I am not a pre-tribulation-rapture-ist
nor a "mid-tribber"
nor a "post-tribber"

I am a "pan-tribulationist"...
Meaning: Yeshuah will do HIS Rapture thing when he desires too and as long as we are born again and in a deep loveing relationship, He will take care of me and you when He does do it... Thus, when it comes to the rapture, i know that Yeshuah will make it "ALL PAN OUT"...

So,
for now, I lean strongly towards the Pre-tribulation Rapture...
However, if the antichrist rises to power and signs a 7 year peace treaty with Isreal, and I am still here, I will become a "Mid-Tribber" over night...
If 3 and 1/2 years later, the man of evil gets assasinated and rises again from the grave, and I am still here, I will become a firm believer in the "post-tribulation" rapture theory...

RE: post 5....that's how I look at it.

The thing we are told to do is "be ready"....so, no matter when it is, I'm ready. And if we must go thru troubles, His grace will be sufficient for me. (Although I must admit, "me" is one thing...if I had to watch my son suffer, it would/will be very hard -*understatement*. Yet, my complete trust is in the One Who Is, and Was, and Is To Come.)

same but God  will End His mercy that he is pouring on  earth sometime I mean the end haves to come someday.

HAHHAA!! I would have to agree with you there!!! (I'd heard a similar theory called pan-millenialism! ) *L*

LOL Good one Steadfast! Since only the wicked were removed from the earth in Noah's day, and the remaining were raised up above the waters of the judgment of the flesh in the ark, I'm of the hope of being found alive in Him. Maybe I could call it "out of the frying PAN and into the fire (of G-d)?" Or not Sorry, couldn't resist it.....Blessings.....

don't forget that the fire was falling from heaven on Sodom and Gomorrah even as Lot,his wife and two daughter were fleeing the city.
I think we may see it start but we won't be here long after it begins.
  Peace treaty with Israel will only be confirmed as it will already have been signed prior to the man of sin being revealed.
  As you say we are to look up even as these things begin....stock market crash...jobs going away....EU rising....
  As Rabbi Moshe Laurie said..."there is no such thing as tomorrow because tomorrow is always today so expect the Rapture evey day you wake up