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Titus 2:13 "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;" KJV

Titus 2:13 "while we look forward to that wonderful event when the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, will be revealed." NLT

Titus 2:13 "looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Yeshua the Messiah." HNV




These are but a few versions of the same verse. From these versions you could certainly make either a Trinitarian or Unitarian argument. A trinitarian would see this verse and say "see, even the bible says that Jesus Christ is God." Well, a unitarian would say, "see, Jesus Christ is our Hope and God's Glory which will be revealed in due time."

A trinitarian would see the word God and Saviour and equate it with Christ Jesus.
A unitarian would recognize Christ Jesus as our Saviour, but God is The Saviour, even of Christ Jesus.

What is your point of view? What do you see?

Shalom,
Christopher

Is it legal to be a 'Triunitarian,' (One God, presenting Himself to His mortal children as three images:   God 'as' the Father, God 'as' the Son, and God 'as' the Holy Ghost?  One having three presentations to mankind makes sense to me, since He only presents Himself to us, one persona at any time.  I sometimes feel He does that so that we can somewhat comprehend that He can fit into what we can grasp, even though He is far beyond any restriction we can grasp.
One verse does seem to have a problem expressing a complete comprehensive picture of God, in any viewpoint.  The following is what I have available, and what I see seems to be about twenty examples of how individualistic we see the same thing.

With that out of the way, I see God, as one, having (at least) three ways of presentation to, and communicating with, His children, us.

Oh, yes.  Consider also, that Messiah had two ways of speaking: 1. as Messiah/God, and 2. as Mortal man.  He may well have come to earth for more than one reason also:  1. to pay the price for our sin, which only He could atone for, and 2. to experience the judgment He had imposed upon Adam, Mortality, to it's fullest, Birth, Growth, Life, Temptation, Joy, Sadness, and Death, in it's most painful and degrading finality imposed upon human life, crucifixion.  The movie 'Passion of the Christ' only displayed a 'scratching of depth of pain and degradation Messiah actually experienced, and endured.

Sorry, I got a bit long winded there.  

Tit 2:13

(ALT)  waiting for the blessed hope [or, confident expectation] and appearance of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

(ASV)  looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

(Bishops)  Lokyng for that blessed hope and appearyng of the glorie of the great God, and our sauiour Iesus Christe,

(CEV)  We are filled with hope, as we wait for the glorious return of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.

(Darby)  awaiting the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ;

(ESV)  waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

(Geneva)  Looking for that blessed hope, and appearing of that glorie of that mightie God, and of our Sauiour Iesus Christ,

end of part one,  part two to follow close behind, I pray.  Arley

Part two of two, I hope:

(GNB)  as we wait for the blessed Day we hope for, when the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ will appear.

(GNT)  προσδεχόμενοι τὴν μακαρίαν ἐλπίδα καὶ ἐπιφάνειαν τῆς δόξης τοῦ μεγάλου Θεοῦ καὶ σωτῆρος ἡμῶν ᾿Ιησοῦ Χριστοῦ,

(GNT-V)  προσδεχομενοι την μακαριαν ελπιδα και επιφανειαν της δοξης του μεγαλου θεου και σωτηρος ημων ιησου χριστου

(GW)  At the same time we can expect what we hope for-the appearance of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.

(HNT)  ונחכה לתקוה המאשרת ולהופעת כבוד אלהינו הגדול ומושיענו ישוע המשיח׃

(HNV)  looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Yeshua the Messiah;

(ISV)  as we wait for the blessed hope and the glorious appearance of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.

(KJV+)  Looking for4327 that blessed3107 hope,1680 and2532 the3588 glorious1391 appearing2015 of the3588 great3173 God2316 and2532 our2257 Savior4990 Jesus2424 Christ;5547

(KJVR)  Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ;

(LITV)  looking for the blessed hope and appearance of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

(MKJV)  looking for the blessed hope, and the appearance of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

In Messiah, His Shalom.  Arley

That Jesus Christ is both God and Savior.  

If God is our Savior, the Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God.  The good news is that God can save sinful man by sending His Son to be born and to die for man's sin.  God doesn't know any other Savior.  God in three Persons, one essence.  The language of Titus agrees that the Son is both God and Savior; therefore, this is God's view and not man's.

I dont see it as either unitarian or trinitarian.
Somebody burn me at the stake.

Modalism is the thought of One God One person playing 3 rules.


This is not biblical or true The Nt is very clear that on that.  The format of the NT is writtten that the 3 are not each exaclty the same.



The trinty is the thought of The 3 not being the same but each playing there own role not The Father playing all 3

I don't believe this blindness carries with it the obligation of the community to execute the penalty of physical death. Unless you know something about your belief that I don't?

Sorry, I just had to laugh out loud on this one......

First of all I doubt that either/any view is formed on one verse.

We have to take it ALL in (Tanach and NT) and listen to what God is telling us about Himself.

What does He say?

Gen. 1 and John 1:3
Deut. 6:4 and John 1:1
Gen 17, 18 (all accounts Abraham and YHWH) and John 8:58

etc, etc, etc

AM-
This is a no burn zone. We would end up with a quarantine of this area because of a biohazard, then after the State gets involved, we would have to sue them for violating the separation between church and state, which would waste even more of our tax dollars. I’ll accept that you would rather ride the fence on this issue and leave it at that.
Shalom,
Christopher