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www.yeshuaconnection.com Wrote:

Recently I ran across a web site belonging to a rabbi of a reform synagogue.  He had been a Messianic rabbi and evidently denied Yeshua.

I asked him why he thought believers in Yeshua were able to forgive people to a much greater extent than Jewish people who did not know Yeshua.  He wrote and said he did not have an answer for that.

Well, I believe deep down, he did have an answer.

A Jewish believer in Yeshua understands that Yeshua's blood shed on the tree was an atonement for sin; including their sin.

In the Torah G-d made known his requirement of a blood sacrifice as an atonement for sin. It was an everlasting requirement.

We no longer have the Temple in Jerusalem for those sacrifices.

A Jewish believer in Yeshua having an understanding of our holy G-d, knows how much he profaned G-d's laws in his lifetime.

The Ten Commandments are enough to show us our sin.  We as the Jewish nation are supposed to honor and respect G-d as a fruit of our love for him.

With an understanding of how much G-d has forgiven the rebellion against him in our own lives, a Jewish believer in Yeshua finds it easier to forgive others.

Yeshua taught us to ask his father to forgive our sin as we forgive others their sin.  He taught that if we don't forgive others that G-d would not forgive us.

Understanding G-d's mercy in our own lives, his commandment to forgive, and the consequence of not forgiving, makes it easier to forgive.

Any doctor can tell you the toll on a person's heath who holds on to the sin of not forgiving.

A person without a real intimate relationship with G-d, his holiness, and his Torah, can not understand sin enough to even realize he needs to be forgiven.

In these perilous days it is so important to us, our loved ones, Israel and the nations we have been dispersed to that we have a clean slate before the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who we need to turn to for protection.

That rabbi did not have an answer, but we know the answer and the answer is that we understand sin and know that we are forgiven because of Yeshua's sacrificial death on the tree.

www.yeshuaconnection.com
If the rabbi did not have an answer, then he is not well studied.
Jews are required to ask forgiveness of those they have sinned.
We must ask three times....and if we are not granted forgiveness
by those we have sinned against, it is no longer our problem, but
the issue of the person who refuses to forgive.

I would also suggest the person who wrote the article knows
little to nothing about Judaism, and more than likely never was
an observant Jew.
Sheitl Queen Wrote:

If the rabbi did not have an answer, then he is not well studied.
Jews are required to ask forgiveness of those they have sinned.
We must ask three times....and if we are not granted forgiveness
by those we have sinned against, it is no longer our problem, but
the issue of the person who refuses to forgive.

I would also suggest the person who wrote the article knows
little to nothing about Judaism, and more than likely never was
an observant Jew.


Chava,
yeshuaconnection.com knows more about actual Judaism than you do. If Talmud-HaCohanim (whether you call it Talmud-Bavel, Talmud-Yerushalayim, or Talmud-Chazal) were actually comparable to HaTorah-Sinai, then many more Jewish people would be followers of Yeshua ben-Miryam-HaBetulah and not wondering things like if a chicken has lungs (See DaatEmet.org.).
GoyOfY'shua Wrote:


Chava,
yeshuaconnection.com knows more about actual Judaism than you do.


No, they know more about the Christian version of "Judaism" known
as "Messianic Judaism". In which case I freely admit they know
more than I do.

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If Talmud-HaCohanim (whether you call it Talmud-Bavel, Talmud-Yerushalayim, or Talmud-Chazal)



You really should read the Torah to understand what and who
the kohanim are. They have been appointed by G-d to do His
work in the Temple....mocking them mocks G-d.

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then many more Jewish people would be followers of Yeshua ben-Miryam-HaBetulah



There you go with your nonsense names again...why don't you
just make it easier on everyone and call him "Jesus"?

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and not wondering things like if a chicken has lungs



been reading the anti-Orthodox websites again, have we?
Makes more sense to read about lungs and the issues of kashruth
than it does to try to spend time understanding how you can
believe a virgin has a son and the son is G-d. At least to a Jew,
anyway. Christians, I fully respect their right to study and believe
as they feel directed.
Sheitl Queen Wrote:

GoyOfY'shua Wrote:


Chava,
yeshuaconnection.com knows more about actual Judaism than you do.


No, they know more about the Christian version of "Judaism" known
as "Messianic Judaism". In which case I freely admit they know
more than I do.


True Judaism is Christianity, and not as man or woman practices Christianity (Genesis 15:6, Isaiah 29:13-14, Hosea 6:6, Micah 6:6-8, Psalm 51).

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If Talmud-HaCohanim (whether you call it Talmud-Bavel, Talmud-Yerushalayim, or Talmud-Chazal)



You really should read the Torah to understand what and who
the kohanim are. They have been appointed by G-d to do His
work in the Temple....mocking them mocks G-d.



The kohanim are perfect, or is Tanakh true? If I recall, Isaiah 29:13-14 addresses such as the Talmudim, and Aaron and Eli's sons sinned against G-d.

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then many more Jewish people would be followers of Yeshua ben-Miryam-HaBetulah



There you go with your nonsense names again...why don't you
just make it easier on everyone and call him "Jesus"?



A Jewish woman like you calls using a Hebrew name "nonsense"? What chutzpah.

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and not wondering things like if a chicken has lungs



been reading the anti-Orthodox websites again, have we?
Makes more sense to read about lungs and the issues of kashruth
than it does to try to spend time understanding how you can
believe a virgin has a son and the son is G-d. At least to a Jew,
anyway. Christians, I fully respect their right to study and believe
as they feel directed.



Chavah, before you judge DaatEmet, you actually need to read some of the content on DaatEmet.org, and DaatEmet.org is sadly more Orthodox Jewish than AskMoses.com. DaatEmet actually points out how so-called "Orthodox" Jews put Halacha over Tanakh.
Sheitl Queen Wrote:

If the rabbi did not have an answer, then he is not well studied.
Jews are required to ask forgiveness of those they have sinned.
We must ask three times....and if we are not granted forgiveness
by those we have sinned against, it is no longer our problem, but
the issue of the person who refuses to forgive.

I would also suggest the person who wrote the article knows
little to nothing about Judaism, and more than likely never was
an observant Jew.

The story hints that the rabbi does have the answer but chose to remain silent as the question pierced his soul.

Try reading with understanding next time for you failed the comprehension test miserably. The author clearly stated that the Rabbi knew the answer! Some women should really learn in silence as the Torah teaches. I'm sorry but you are beginning to behave like Danny. I hope it was just one of those off posts that we are all guilty of as we allow our emotions take over. Time will show if its your emotions or your heart?

Anyway the message of the story does not rest on Judaism's requirements on forgiveness and judgment but is putting the spot light on ones capacity to forgive and operate in mercy and unmerited favor.

Now you judge for yourself the difference between a Jewish Christian and Jew for Judaism Jew who suffers a wrong.

Do you need a link to Jerusalem Post to see how these two brothers deal with unforgiveness? There is a balance and special circumstances may apply but there is also a general trend for similar situations with averages.

Remember it is easier to forgive if one is conscious of his own sin which is really the message of the true Torah and the Gospels which so faithfully speak about our L-rd and Saviour the Jewish Messiah.

shalom
YehudiahOfYeshua Wrote:



True Judaism is Christianity, and not as man or woman practices Christianity (Genesis 15:6, Isaiah 29:13-14, Hosea 6:6, Micah 6:6-8, Psalm 51).  

Ah, spoken like a true Christian!

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The kohanim are perfect, or is Tanakh true? If I recall, Isaiah 29:13-14 addresses such as the Talmudim, and Aaron and Eli's sons sinned against G-d.


Who says kohanim are perfect? They play a role as the priests
in the Temple, redeeming those who need pidyon haben,
doing birkat hakohanim....where is "prefection" noted?

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A Jewish woman like you calls using a Hebrew name "nonsense"? What chutzpah.


Ooh, chutzpah....now there is an impressive word to show one's
vast knowledge or Hebrew or Yidish....
perhaps if you would quit making up such silly names, people
could understand your posts better.


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Chavah, before you judge DaatEmet, you actually need to read some of the content on DaatEmet.org, and DaatEmet.org is sadly more Orthodox Jewish than AskMoses.com. DaatEmet actually points out how so-called "Orthodox" Jews put Halacha over Tanakh.


I've read through some of the content of daadlies, and it is a hatefest
towards Orthodoxy.  Nothing Orthodox about, full of things to ridicule
Orthodoxy, nothing of value at it.
If you really want to learn about Judaism, go talk to the rabbis at
askmoses. Unlike daatlies, they respect all, are honest, and have
useful and valuable information.
Prowler Wrote:


Try reading with understanding next time for you failed the comprehension test miserably.


Gee, I didn't realize this was a test...my comprehension is perfect.

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The author clearly stated that the Rabbi knew the answer!



The article states no such thing...what the author says is:
"Well, I believe deep down, he did have an answer. "
The author believes that the rabbi "deep down" does have an
answer; the rabbi himself never says that.

Further more, the author adds:  "That rabbi did not have an answer, but we know the answer ..."

So please kindly show me where you can substantiate your claims
that the rabbi knew the answer. Perhaps it is not me who failed
the reading comprehension.

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Some women should really learn in silence as the Torah teaches.


And some guys should think before they make accusations against others.

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I'm sorry but you are beginning to behave like Danny


Thanks, I take that as a compliment.Cheesygrin

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I hope it was just one of those off posts that we are all guilty of as we allow our emotions take over.



Certainly not me....I responded to what the article said. It is you
who are reading things into the article that are not there.

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Anyway the message of the story does not rest on Judaism's requirements on forgiveness and judgment but is putting the spot light on ones [b]capacity to forgive
and operate in mercy and unmerited favor.



I see the article as a slam on Judaism...."only we Messianics know
what true forgiveness is, the poor Jews have no answer for it"
And that IS me reading something into the article that I see as
implied but not explicitely stated.

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Now you judge for yourself the difference between a Jewish Christian and Jew for Judaism Jew who suffers a wrong.

  either is quite cabable of forgiving wrongs done them.


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Remember it is easier to forgive if one is conscious of his own sin which is really the message of the true Torah and the Gospels which so faithfully speak about our L-rd and Saviour the Jewish Messiah.


So you think Jews are not capable of being aware of sins, and
thus incapable of forgiveness?  
Heyyy Goy! I just noticed you changed your nick! I had to google it cause I figured it meant "Jew" but wanted to be sure (like Sheitl says...). But when I googled it, I found all this Harry Potter sounding stuff: http://ruu.wikispaces.com/Yehudiah

and

Mind and Spirit???? Whose I ask!


Sheitl Queen,

You asked;
"So you think Jews are not capable of being aware of sins, and
thus incapable of forgiveness? "

SMR:
It depends if they really understand Judaism or not. That seems to be part of the problem. I have heard from some xtians over and over again....... Jews don't think they are sinners. Can you imagine that? If they only knew our daily prayers!

Well at least we understand that we must focus on doing good, not focus on our sins. Because the more we focus on doing good, the less time there is to sin!
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