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few q's please

I understang that g-d gave the commandments to The Jews at Sinia,and revealed himself to 2-3 million witnesses.If he wanted to start another religion why wouldnt he reveal himself again to another mass of people,and save all this confusion as to authenticity of  christianity and islam,it appears that anyone can come along and make a new claim? I read there are over 100 different types of christianity? how do you know who to belive?

Why would i go by the new testiment,when the old one came first?

Sorry if these are basic questions,but would like someone to answer

Thank you

Every one who truly believes becomes a witness that Jesus is the Christ, the Messiah. I did not see Him rise from the grave, but Jesus is as real to me as the sun, moon and the stars. I can't see Him, but I know that He is there. Sure it would have been easier and a lot less confusing if he had appeared to the whole world and to those who had crucified him, just to prove to everyone that he did indeed rise from the dead. (BTW, he did appear to a group of 500 disciples after rising from the dead.) But what need would we have of faith if it could be scientifically proven that He did rise? As he said to Thomas: "Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed." (John 20:29)

As you say, there are over a hundred different styles of Christianity; how does one know which one is the correct one? Maybe there is no correct one; maybe where one finds oneself is where one is at spiritually.

1) It isn't a new religion, it is the fulfillment of the hope of the Patriarchs of the HT. The foretold One. If all Jews had accepted, there would be nothing called "Christianity" because we would all be (rightly) called Israel. (Either natural born Jews, or converted Gentiles.)

2) He did exactly that, only not in one dynamic instance. He, Yeshua, walked the earth and revealed YHWH to thousands of people. He opened Tanakh to them. He healed them. He fed them. Etc. But, just like Sinai, some choose not to trust Him.




And many have. BUT do they fulfill all that YHWH tells us the mashiach will be in the HT? THAT is the measuring rod. Take 20 mins and watch this: In Search of the Messiah




Why read anything more than Torah? No value in the rest of Tanakh?




This will answer your "basic question": Is Christianity Jewish? and most importantly this one: World Changers (Jews/Israel)

I forgot to address this:



There are also many types of Judaism. Which one of those do you believe, and how did you come to the conclusion that it was the "correct" choice?

Just as Judaism isn't monolithic, neither is Christianity.

Let me (as a ''normal'' Jew) put it in a different way...

Abraham was not Jewish, but a Hebrew from Sem (He, like Adam kept God's Laws or had problems with some of those Laws, and everybody made mistakes).
Abraham created new Souls to the monotheism in which he believed, aswell Sarah did create new female souls...
So they got followers who where of a new kind of tradition...
Till they realy went out of Egypt, story of 12 tribes etc.
So God had given a book with rules, partly because it's difficult for people to have only an oral tradition and a brain. He gave Tablets and a Stone-book.

We Jews still live by it, plus the oral-family tradition that goes with it. For only Torah doesn't explain everything... we still have traditions about what we asked Moses, or the other leaders later.

So much later in the Roman empire we got this Christiangroups and Jezus for example who where more open again to others (after Jews did shut their mouth during Babylonian Exiles/Inquisitions etc.). Jezus never said: ''write a new book'', not even Paul, Jacob or the others did say so...  In our Jewish bible it even says you can't add texts in that way...
But people did anyway compile some letters, ideas and writings in a Testimonial book, compiled around 350 a.C. by the Katholic Church.

Islam came around later. After Mohammed was not recognized as a prophet by Jews. He alone came with 1 book with a lot of chapters. Islam has more traditional books than Koran only. But the weakness of Islam is that it is only 1 witness (Mohammed) who created a new tradition according to 1 book in 1 time.

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To come back to ABRAHAM. Arabs have more a family connection to him, and some Syrian and other Christians. But a lot of Christians and Muslims need to have Abraham as their ''Spiritual father'' because they are not litteral Children...  So the Claim did need to be that everybody is seed of Abraham. Everybody wants to belong to something, even if they don't have the Family-Tradition of Abraham.
This also makes it more confusing... Israel and Grandsons etc. stayed with Abraham. Ishmael did not. Ishmael came on Abrahams funeral etc. there was not only hatred.
But the Family tradition is ours. Muslims are close in keeping sort of Kosher, Laws etc. Christians copied things in a ''spiritual'' way only often. And when THEY feel the need to be sort-of foster children, they even sometimes do say sometimes more or the less: ''your family-book is not so important, not even your family-knowledge (Talmud etc.)... we are now also your family, and a nephew in your family told me the complete truth, and now you have to listen to me...''

So thats why I stay with my originall book. And if some nephew coused another tradition, it's not completely our tradition, we are not completely responsible. We have to deal with it maybe. But we did choose as a family not to go into the version 1 particular nephew wanted to preach about the family...

In Our originall book it's also written that Noachs son Ham (heated) Arabs, and Ishmael would be with a lot of violence and Agression (in Hebrew Hamas).
In Our tradition it's also written that Noachs son Yafeth (Beaty) Europe mainly in those days, will look for a lot of outward beaty, and lofty, nice looking things and thoughts. And people in the East would be more spiritual...
So than it is also logicall that yafeth comes with a book of LOVELOVELOVE.
and Ham comes with a book, a lot about Heat, Law-Judgement. More advanced in time, with commentaries about the other family-tribes or believers.

Yetzirah, I want to address a few things:



Yet Oral Torah does just that, adds to Torah. Our books do not break Torah by adding on. Just as the prophets, who came along after Moses, written down, do not break Torah.

God said through the prophets there would be a new covenant. He has made that new covenant with Israel...but not all of Israel accepts it (for now). Similar to some freed Hebrews said, "We were better off in Egypt.", now they/you say, "We reject Your new covenant, we prefer Sinai."

God said He will bring even goyim to Him. He has done that. God does not have grandchildren, He has children. Just as you are HEIRS of Abraham's Promise, so are we...it's one Promise, "father of many nations" not just of one Nation.

I say none of this to downplay the importance of Israel. God loves Israel. Israel *is* His Beloved. He has not replaced or ignored Israel.

But Christ/Maschiach has brought countless thousands of goyim to the YHWH of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Me included.

And just like Ruth, a goy, laid at the feet of her kinsmen redeemer, Boaz, I laid at the feet of mine, Yeshua. And at that moment I was made a proselyte, 100%.

The Old Testament tells of a coming Messiah (Isaiah 53,9,11)  , the New Testament is about Him and His teachings. (forgiveness, grace, and how Yahweh and His Torah no longer condemn us after Christ's atonement)

Jesus (Y'shua) was Jewish! (Hebrew) His family line is documented!

The New Testament Gospels and the book of Acts have eyewitness accounts centered around Y'shua (Jesus) being the Hope of Israel and the Gentiles (the whole world) , and includes eyewitness accounts of His death burial and resurrection, prophesied  in the Old Testament.

Exactly...this is one of many problems Jews have with both Christianity
and Islam. They were "revealed" to either one man or a small group
of people...

The giving of the  Torah was witnessed by millions of people....
hard to question the authenticity of such a revelation.

Such is not the same with Islam and Christianity.

Ripley's

Exactly... I wrote in THAT way....

So some food for thought....

1. indeed we claim not to go into THAT new covenant, we prefer to stay in Jerusalem, and we prefer Sinai above Rome, Washington-DC or Cairo, that is true. Sinai was Holy, Egypt not so the comparison is strange.  (besides that, Jezus, because of his parents stayed a while in Egypt :-))

2. Oral Torah was there directly during Moses, so what's the point? Before other profets we had allready Oral Torah, was Moses his Oral Torah and what the profets said included. Plus what HaShem said that we should listen to the wise man, Plus that Torah is given on earth to deal with. Doesn't mean for us that we should start to listen to ''maybe foster-children'' who think they know it better than the family-tradition. Before you know it, foster children can break the family appart. Then allready 1 mitzwa of honouring parents is broken.

3. I never said that God will not bring Goyim to him... So I try to explain it as foster-children, maybe you have a better idea? But I am not from the tribe of Levi, so I can't claim so. So foster children might inherit, but can't overrule nor claim things that HaShem promissed to Israel.

4. I am happy for you that you feel included to the same HaShem, and for that you might be a good ''foster''brother... (Judaism doesn't claim that somebody has to become Jewish to know the same HaShem, such egocentric statements are for other fanatic religions, only trhough Mohammed you come to Jezus acc. to Koran (for Jezus is there the last Judge) etc.).

5. Ruth was made a Jew.  and you where made a proselity.  o.k. that's allready 1 difference.  The other one is for a lot of Christians:  That Ruth sayd ''your God is my God'', so if today a proselite says so, o.k. than still ''Boaz'' or ''Rabbi's'' have to agree on that.
But acturally a lot of newborn?-Christians said to Jezus something like: ''You are my God'' or: ''Your God is my God, but you are my Savior, and for that I owe everyting to you''
During evangelizing a lot of Christians actually say ''My God is Your God'' wich is again something totally without Humility or at least something else than Ruth did.
So the Choice is yours. If you want to make a choice or see the need to it.

Greetings