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jHenosch Wrote:

Godservant Wrote:

Wow! Very hard to understand, but I think I will call myself a muslim too.
Indeed i don't understand, could you please explain a bit more extenive?


You cannot deny that a lot of conduct in islam is done because of fear of expulsion or fear of being (falsely) ashamed or insulted in their (mostly false) pride, or even worse.

Islam by definition is being aslaved to allah, exactly the opposite (anti) of being a free citizen codesigning in God's overall Design.



Ok, there is some sort of schism here. I am stopping.

You said "I am muslim".

I said "Great, now I am too".

Then you questioned me. That didn't make enough sense for me to continue.
Godservant Wrote:

jHenosch Wrote:

Godservant Wrote:

Wow! Very hard to understand, but I think I will call myself a muslim too.
Indeed i don't understand, could you please explain a bit more extenive?


You cannot deny that a lot of conduct in islam is done because of fear of expulsion or fear of being (falsely) ashamed or insulted in their (mostly false) pride, or even worse.

Islam by definition is being aslaved to allah, exactly the opposite (anti) of being a free citizen codesigning in God's overall Design.



Ok, there is some sort of schism here. I am stopping.

You said "I am muslim".

I said "Great, now I am too".

Then you questioned me. That didn't make enough sense for me to continue.
Only if you are becoming a muslim exclusively, not in the sense i recommend above, being all three in one, is a questionmark to me.

But i gather you were kidding.
This post is entertaining irregardless of it's apparent seriousness. :-)
I thought about this topic on and off for three weeks now. I wuz out in the front yard last week and I had a vision- I saw an American flag in full glory- snapping in the breeze, with a background of Carolina blue sky- then there appeared a cross, an old, rugged, thick, burly, gnarley wooden cross in the air above it- the wood was worn and brown and the grain stood out- it was cumborous, thick and heavy, yet Y'shua, the Christ was no longer on it!

I asked the Lord what it meant... in my heart I said, surely this means America is lifted up, almost as though the serpent was lifted up in the wilderness... The freedom we offer through the law is sometimes misunderstood and abused.  Would sharia law not be the same, yet in a stricter sense?

I, later on that day talked to one who had "discipled" me -so to speak, many years ago and had travelled on-  and I told him of this vision- He said that the scriptures tell of the many serpents that were biting the people. That added the real perspective to my vision.

The muslim world is anticipating a freedom not unlike what we already experience.  They believe many things about the USA, some true and some untrue. When their populus is misinformed through uninformed channels of communication that see our democracy as oppressive of their ideals- that is like them being bitten by one of these serpents. I believe if they looked to US, and REALLY SAW CHRIST things might change.
  
Those college students and aspiring youth of Iran and Iraq and Saudi Yemen, Gaza, Golan Jordan Lebanon and all of Arabia need not be blinded to the true intention of a real christian leadership- that all have equal opportunity to experience a freedom of choice and
that christian values need not be distorted and manipulated and twisted to fit any economic scheme, agenda or power trip that comes down the road.

May the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and the Lord Jesus Christ give us strength in this hour to lift up a prayer for the Nation of Islam that they come to see the true light of the Gospel and the price that our LORD JESUS CHRIST paid to free us from the bondage and oppression of sin, and the resulting blessings still in force through the promises given to the wandering Aramean/Chaldean Abraham!

A journey of 1000 miles begins with one step, revival of a nation begins with one heart.

jHenosch Wrote:

Godservant Wrote:

Wow! Very hard to understand, but I think I will call myself a muslim too.
Indeed i don't understand, could you please explain a bit more extenive?

Godservant Wrote:

Then you questioned me[?] That didn't make enough sense for me to continue.
[color=navy]Only if you are becoming a muslim exclusively, not in the sense i recommend above, being all three in one, is a questionmark to me.

But i gather you were kidding.



Thanks JHenisch for attempting to bring clarity, I understand you better now. It was as the Lord willed it. Through this He has opened my ear (see Isaiah) to hear as Muslims. From what I can hear now, it is clear that the thing they need most is the body of Christ (how sad for them that we are not to be unequally yoked).

cor517, your vision was astounding! Moreover, I think the will of God is that individual nations be lifted up less as we press in to the final oppression... not more. Do you see this? For we know the nations are ruled by one Spirit and that not for the sake of the flesh, but for Christ.
Godservant Wrote:

Wow! Very hard to understand, but I think I will call myself a muslim too.

If the only way to witness to a Muslim is to be a Muslim then yes, I will be the worst!

(Incidentally, it is extremely insightful to say "fear keeps the anti-Christ together. Did you know that you can actually manipulate the anti-Christ by feigning fear? But this is for mature Christians, it is possible you will not understand).



"If the only way to witness to a Muslim is to be a Muslim then yes, I will be the worst!"


RE:
Beg your pardon??? What makes you think the others are better?


As fot the person who wrote this thread... I think I know where you getting... but let me remind you that they differ between each other.

For different cultures, different religions. There is a reason why G-d brought men different covenants. Nothing wrong to be different as long we understand what we have in common. As for you fusing religions together it'd be senseless. We must acknowledge the one that we most identify with our culture so we can worship G-d how we're supposed to. Nevertheless, it is also important we respect divergent spiritual cultures.

jHenosch Wrote:

If people ask what i believe, i answer them something they cannot see immediately.

I am a Judeochristianmoslim.


Judean, because jews were given the T[orah]through Mo[s]es, where is being foretold that they could expect the comming of the Immanuel amongst them, God with us, a Dvine event that they mistakenly, but dertermined by God, would not acknowlegde, see [Y]es[h]a[y]a[hu] 53, et al., something they do till this day.

Christian, who believes that God's human derivative Je[s]usChrist came into the flesh to compassionately live, suffer and die, as a normal human, to Comfort us, till the end of (pagan) times. So literaly being the Immanuel,
and
Moslim because there would spring up a big religion out of the old one, around 666, that would twist and annul the meanings of the entire Bible, the antichrist, [i]sitting in the temple
like Paul said, as it does on mount Moriah, with the scripture:
Allah has no servant or son.

So every creed has it's prophetic role to play, nowone really is to blame, we just have to inform our fellowabrahamists of it. This is what is called apocalypse, when the world is informed and revealed.



JHenosch,
I understand that you find Christianity legalistic in terms of where it has gone with the Roman Catholic Church and since Roman-Byzantine Times; but don't mix Islam in with Judaism and Christianity. What Mohammed meant by that quote was, "Allah ["God"] has no Servant or Son". Mohammed, like today's so-called (i.e., Breslov) "Judaism", believed that the God of Israel is "yachid", not "echad".
YehudiahOfYeshua Wrote:

jHenosch Wrote:

If people ask what i believe, i answer them something they cannot see immediately.

I am a Judeochristianmoslim.


Judean, because jews were given the T[orah]through Mo[s]es, where is being foretold that they could expect the comming of the Immanuel amongst them, God with us, a Dvine event that they mistakenly, but dertermined by God, would not acknowlegde, see [Y]es[h]a[y]a[hu] 53, et al., something they do till this day.

Christian, who believes that God's human derivative Je[s]usChrist came into the flesh to compassionately live, suffer and die, as a normal human, to Comfort us, till the end of (pagan) times. So literaly being the Immanuel,
and
Moslim because there would spring up a big religion out of the old one, around 666, that would twist and annul the meanings of the entire Bible, the antichrist, [i]sitting in the temple
like Paul said, as it does on mount Moriah, with the scripture:
Allah has no servant or son.

So every creed has it's prophetic role to play, nowone really is to blame, we just have to inform our fellowabrahamists of it. This is what is called apocalypse, when the world is informed and revealed.



JHenosch,
I understand that you find Christianity legalistic in terms of where it has gone with the Roman Catholic Church and since Roman-Byzantine Times; but don't mix Islam in with Judaism and Christianity. What Mohammed meant by that quote was, "Allah ["God"] has no Servant or Son". Mohammed, like today's so-called (i.e., Breslov) "Judaism", believed that the God of Israel is "yachid", not "echad".
G-d and life is truly One reality.



Jewish people are annointed in the sense that all true prophets of G-d were born among them, except for the arian Zaruthustrer of Persia, whom influence is named in the Bible via Cores admitting the jews in building the second temple in Jerushalaiem.
Christian, who believes that God's human derivative JezusChrist came into the flesh to compassionately live, suffer and die, as a normal human, to Comfort us, till the end of (pagan) times. So literaly being the Immanuel,
...jHenosch
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