If any Jew believes in the literal history that Eve was created out of the rib of Adam, they are without a legitimate excuse to cease from believing into that Son of G-D who came from the Bosom of G-D the Father, Him who sits on the Throne as G-D, in Heaven.
Eve was created from the rib, from the Bosom, of Adam.
Genesis 2:
21And the L-RD G-D caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22And the rib, which the L-RD G-D had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
Eve was not called “that thing” or “that creature”…Eve was just as human as Adam was. Eve was of the same substance and material as Adam. Eve had part of the same soul of lives that was imparted by the Creator into Adam in Genesis 2:7. To call Eve as “human” is not blasphemy. In the same token, to call Jesus as G-D the Son is not blasphemy, as He came from the Bosom of the Father as an uncreated extension of who the Omnipresent Deity is.
Had G-D been a one and only one person Deity, G-D would have expressed Himself only as El or Eloah -- and this alone -- throught the Old Testament. Instead, what dominates thousands of times? Elohim...a plural ehad form, not a one and only one (singular alone) form...even as human at the Beginning in Eden did not mean a male Adam alone, but also meant the female Eve.
There is a mystery of how a man can have a heart (feelings) and a soul (an spiritual state of being, with an awareness of being) and a mind (the power to reason how the cause of individual things, by those which are, subsist -- or Logos). Yet we possess all three. If man is made in the “image” (Genesis 1:26) or “similitude” of G-D, how is it possible for a Jew to deny that the Creator might also be Triune and yet One? Ignorance of his / her own Scriptures, apparently…coupled with denial and a demand for social acceptance perhaps?
If the intellect is the means by which chay (life) becomes Chayyim (lives)…as we are taught by the Hebrew exegesis of Genesis 2:7 et al...then the answer to eternal life lies in believing the Logos who is made known by John’s Gospel 1:1-3,18.
Peace.
Brianroy
O.K. it sounds like an interesting piece...
I will first put it differently...:
''If the Messiah is born out of a Virgin'' Where Jews want to proof that it is not possible, for in the Greek tekst (and Hebrew) it is said, ''young woman''. than even IF he is born out of a Virgin. Is that not as strange as a woman made out of a rib ''You just can believe in the strange context in both situations or not...''
So I am curious where it is written that the Son of G-D came from the Bosom of The Father??? In Tenach??? I don't think so. And even than, Eve had a different function and was not Adam. And a Son of God (like all Israeli's are called) are never equal to God.
But for the rest. If you knew better Hebrew, and studied more, than you might know better what plural and singular might mean in Hebrew. Here is just a western translation of it.
Before The Beginning everything was ONE. We know that HaShem is One and HIS Name is One.
Even the first day is called ONE(Ehad) instead of first(rishon). For if there is no Second, there is only ONE. Things started to seperate during creation. Even the Waters(Mayim, there is no Mai singular, and still Water is 1 group often.) Even you might have Plural like Am Israel, that CHai, not Chaiim.
Adam and Eve... you can write a book about it. Adam might not even be his name. Some translations translate it: ''first was there the human, and than the wife''. Adam, came from Adamah (earth), Eve didn't come from Adamah directly... so for this world we need seperation.
HaShem doesn't need seperation! We on earth want it, maybe need it.
Besides that a Hebrew should think with his Heart. What allready again points to ONEness. If a Greek wants to think with his mind, and feel with his Hart, than that is not my problem, to reason about that what is not a Jewish, and should not have been a Christian concept.
Well we can write 120 pages about it. But it is true you created a nice question. My compliments.
This above is a life giving post. I listen to the women teachers a lot closer now. Those who were blessed with parents that taught them the word, that were ready examples of Christ and the Father, spend their lives in sincerity and truth- filled with the spirit. I believe they are not just enabled to teach young women, but are also able to strengthen the Body of Christ a whole.
Such as Susan Perlman's teaching on the destruction of the temple, and Y'shua being the only possible Messiah. Or, Arielle Rothbards writing on the adventure of being a "believer" among the world of fashion. Also Mrs. Rosens article on the candles of the menorah and their significance, gives wonderful revelation of the true "light of the world"- Y'shua. God bless you all.
A chain is only as strong as it's weakest length. A family therefore should not lack from either parent so it seems.
Peace.
Zechariah 14:9
And IN THAT DAY, the L-RD shall be king over all the earth,
and there SHALL BE one L-RD,
and His Name: ONE.
John 1
1 In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with G-D, and the Logos was G-D.
2The same was in the beginning with G-D.
3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
18 No man hath seen G-D at any time, the only begotten Son, the Being, even the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Exodus 24:
9 Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel:
10And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.
11And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.
If Moses and the elders did not see G-D the Father, but "the Being" or "ho ohn" of the accepted LXX Torah in Exodus 3 who "reveals Himself" to Moses...then Israel has two L-RDs acting as ehad/one united, and this concept is seen through the Genesis history regarding Eve, who came forth from the rib / bosom of Adam (by example, for our edification about the Deity). Hence, the Logos of G-D is interchangeable with Malak HASHEM, who is worshipped as the G-D of Israel and as G-D.
Brianroy
O.k. maybe you didn't answer about my fist posting yet.
But It's true that His NAME is ONE and He is one...
What it has to do with your rest of the tekst about a difference between ''God of Israel'' and God??? I don't read that in the tekst. What do you mean?
Besides that a Greek or changed into Christian concept of Logo's I also might not understand what you mean by those term.
For Logo's might mean ''Word'' or ''Saying and Doing in one action'' or other things. If Logo might mean here your Messiah, I can follow you in Christian theology and interpretation of the Christian Sages, but not what Tenach is realy claiming.
So it seem to proof how far Christianity still wants to be away of an Hebrew explaination? Is that what you want to say with it?
''If the Messiah is born out of a Virgin''
I've already addressed this issue at JFJ @
http://forums.jewsforjesus.org/showthread.php?tid=108
Isaiah 48:16 which states that
"Adonai HASHEM has sent ME {the HASHEM your Redeemer and Holy One of Israel" of v.17, who is qualified as being Divine by being at the Beginning or Genesis 1:1, when Isaiah impossibly can't}
and His {Divine / Holy/ third person}
Spirit".
Know Gematria?
In the ONE utterance of Exodus 20:2-3, we find in this letter by letter analysis following rabbinically accepted Hebrew definitions of what each Hebrew letter means:
that the Holy Spirit is called our "familiar friend who teaches (you) to look on YH who is lifted up as G-D's righteousness and chief one", of YH who is hidden in the hollow or bosom, who is also the "living waters" and the "door/gate of YH (who) will come to the people", to be called "YH, the blemished/stained one".
Or if you prefer to look at just one letter, Alef, as Rabbi Bejamin Blech and very many other modern rabbis accept and teach, that Alef explains the Oneness of the Divine Name as 1 = 26.
And using the same teaching they use on Alef, how one letter is really composed as a ehad unity of three letters ... that is, specifically going from what they show, and refuse to grasp, we see them confirm the very Trinity that they seek to deny while explaining how Alef (as the representation of G-D / Elohim inthe abbreviative form) is 1 and Oneness. In fact, the Trinity of G-D via the teaching in the Alef in gematria has been an "in their face" teacher of the Trinity of HASHEM since before the days of John Hyrcanus.
I posted a somewhat long paragraph on it (et al.) in JFJ Forums @
http://forums.jewsforjesus.org/showthrea...446#pid446
Brianroy~
Off topic:
Your mini-testamony in the first thread linked above (post 10, I think)...where God answered all your "doubts/questions"...not just answered, but unequivocably answered! So completely YHWH!!!!
If one is honestly seeking, He will show us/them. And it won't be a matter of "blind faith"...it is EYES WIDE OPEN FAITH.
As I stated in another thread, the experience/relationship/encounter so UTTERLY REAL, that to deny it is anti-intellectual...but to others it seems opposite.
All I can say to them is, "Ask God, sincerely, to show Himself to you...and He will!!"
Sorry to interrupt...
Brianroy
It might be interesting. And off course HaShem has a lot of caractertrades. And sometimes it's written ''His Name WILL be one'' (so in future tence).
And off course we have our own explainations.
If the Yud Yud and Waw in Alef, create One. It doesn't mean that 26 Gods are actually 1 God etc.
So there are traditions.
And Jezus was not like David annointed according to Jewish customs. So why should I see an non annointed person as a piece of God's Alef. It is just not within our understanding or culture. Allthough you want to force it into the understanding, it is not how we (want to) understand it.
Thanks anyway, keep on writing.
Blessed by both your posts Yetzirah and Brianroy, thank you for sharing all that.
Yetzirah, He was more anointed than you think. When the HS came upon Him like a dove, it was in symbolism, because the "dove" finally found a place to set foot on dry land/earthen vessel ie. where the waters of judgment to the flesh were not there, because One was here who walked in the Spirit and not the flesh.
And because the waters below the firmament are as the law and all that is subjected to it which is all the creation under heaven, for the dove to set "her" foot upon dry "land" spoke loudly that G-d was about to do a new thing.
Add to that, that a dove speaks of gentleness and tenderness ie. that which is soothing, just like oil that soothes and anoints dry flesh. He was anointed above all others.
I would dare say that it is unlikely that the rabbis of the day did not know exactly what it meant. Blessings....
Ripley's,
Thanks.
Yetzirah,
Jesus
(as was the priestly and prophetical John the Baptist also)
was a Semikah / Smikah rabbi, fully accepted in His day.
I briefly reviewed this at JFJ @
http://forums.jewsforjesus.org/showthrea...9#pid12709
The Dead Sea region
Hazon Gabriel stone discovery of recent events, quotes Jewish eschatology as having Jews who exist, yet are they who were believing into a Messiah who will rise from the dead after 3 days, etc., and knowing that there would be an identical accusation as John 11:47-53, while as yet being clearly Israeli / Hebrew / Jewish.
Therefore, you probably are less aware of what was within the understanding of ancient Jewish custom, understanding and culture -- and still is to be called acceptable Judaism --than you have previously realized.