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When “entire households” were baptized, where is an age distinction made?  Scripture links baptism and circumcision and Jews were circumcised on the 8th day.  The early church even discussed if baptism should be done on the 8th day.

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to end for Now show me in scripture where a baby was ever baptism under The believers baptism?

Sorry, but the Apostles baptized AFTER PEOPLE PROFESSED BELIEF...THEY PREACHED FAITH...THEY PREACHED FAITH PRODUCES/IS FOLLOWED GOOD WORKS, INCLUDING BAPTISM.

I am going to go take an aspirin now, for my headache. (To GET a headache, or because I HAVE ONE ALREADY? Same goes with " for remission of sins"...Christ's BLOOD alone remits our sins, not baptism. You are not your co-Redeemer.)

Actually, I am screeming...:"Obey the WORD... simply obey the WORD."

You guys are the ones who search for and use any excuse you can find to refuse to simply DO what is written...

Not me..
I have obeyed Acts 2:38...
And I am here to testify openly "there is a REAL and wonderful difference, that you know NOT!"

Guess Peter under the influence of the Holy GHost ie Holy GHost speaking through Him missed that point....so addording to you that shoud read:

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ  and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

I doon't think so....

No water baptism which was being done while Jesus was alive and well the disciples doing the baptism.

Jhn 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,
Jhn 4:2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)

Wonder what Name they used?...oh yeah Jesus.

Jesus says baptize after His resurrection
Peter says baptize in Jesus Name
Cornelius' family baptized in water
Eunuch baptized in water
All by immersion but you say it does nothing...the water dear lady is symbolic of washing in the blood...no immersion..no washing...no washing no cleansing....we are to be buried with Christ in baptism or maybe you think they are written because the writer had nothing better to say?  

Prophet~
YOU ARE NOT YOUR CO-REDEEMER THROUGH ANY WORKS.

Not ONE Apostle ever taught this, NOT ONE.
And that's what your arguement boils down to: YOU saved you, through baptism. YOU saved your babies, by baptism.

IF circumcision does/did not save, neither does any other CEREMONY.

Prophet~



Exactly! It is not the water that cleanses/remits our sins, it is the blood.

The water being SYMBOLIC of the REAL cleansing...the REAL SPIRITUAL CLEANSING that makes us NEW CREATURES/BORN AGAIN FROM ABOVE BY THE SPIRIT that, in turn, makes us even WANT to be obedient and DO the SYMBOLIC CEREMONY in the first place.

Without that renewing of our mind first, we would NOT BE baptized, it would be ridiculous to us.

Cart/horse, gentlemen (Prophet and Steadfast).

Sola Scriptura ….  What does it lead to?  Division.

Since we can’t seem to come to an agreement here based on scripture alone, how about if we try another approach…

Let’s look historically at what was handed down by the Apostles based on what was being practiced in the early church.  How did the early church interpret scripture? Let’s start with writings prior to the 300s since after this time, many believe the Church was “paganized” by Constantine.

- For all those who believe baptism is symbolic and not regenerative, please provide evidence
- For those who believe baptism is regenerative and not just symbolic, do the same
- Likewise, provide evidence either for or against infant baptism
- Oh and also provide evidence to show that the early church believed baptism was a “work” and not an instrument of God’s grace

After that, we can look at the writings prior to 1000 since the Bride of Christ was fairly well united until the Great Schism of 1054.

Next, we can look at the writings prior to 1500 and see what the Eastern Orthodox Church came to believe once they escaped the clutches of Romanism.

Finally, let’s look at the post-Reformation writings.  Feel free to choose writings from the Church of England, Lutheranism, Calvinism, Presbyterians, Disciples of Christ, Churches of Christ, Anabaptists, Baptists, Congregationalist, Menonites, Quakers, Methodists, Reformed Church of America, Seventh Day Adventists, Church of the Brethren, Episcopalian, Unitarian Churches, “Bible Only” Churches, “Non-Denominational” churches, “prosperity” churches,  ….

The following link should prove useful:  www.earlychristianwritings.com

Actually lady it is the water that remits the sins and the infilling of the Holy Ghost which renews the mind because until then you don't have the mind of Christ.

That is not true. The problem is the failure to follow Sola Scriptura. Sectarianism is a sin and that is the cause of such divisions. And of which the RCC is greatly guitly of causing throughout history in each major split. The Apostle Paul warned of that specific sin right in 1 Cor. 1:10-13. Before pointing fingers at Protestant go clean up your own house first. There is just as much divison within the RCC as there is amoung Protestants.




It was the Bishop of Rome's fault in each major split that has occured. That is due to the greed for power and arrorgance.




Actually it was the RCC that changed post 1054ad. Even Eastern Orthodox agrees with such a conclusion. They claim it was the RCC which has departed.




Very nice antiprotestant web site with it's listing. SDA, Unitarian Church, Quakers and others on your list do not embrace any of the Five Solas of the Reformation and hence are not Protestant. Another mistake was it incorrectly divides Anglicanism in to the Church of England and Episcopalians which is part of Anglianism. By the way, the bias is so evident in that it list Calvinism as a denomination when it is not. A Calvinist can be Presbyterian, Baptist and Anglican and anyone honestly. That is a clear case and dishonesty of what are true Protestant denominations. You made yourself look so bad to me with this type of false information I am at a lose for words on it. Better not complain if Protestants try to paint the RCC in the worst possible light or mispresent or lie about them.