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Actually we have a Saviour...Jesus competely IN the Body...Found

One of the teachings of the RC is wait for it triinity....lost.

Yeah like you DON"T EVER do that?....your whold doctrine is pluck and choose...at least ours is TOTALLY BIBLICAL

there you go lying again....I have never said anywhere in my posts that baptism alone saves...I have given the scripture as written when you state I only say baptize that is  a Blatant lie but then we know who your father is and it sure isn't Jesus.

Tell me riplye did you repent(work) get baptized(work) is so why? since according to you it isn't necessary even though it is commanded in Matt 28:19,Mark 16:16 and Actrs 2:38....The first 2 by Jesus Himself and the last by Peter who loosed the Holy Ghost to us all(he had the keys remember to loose and bind)

If the Apostles were here today they would say "LADY read the book as it is written NOT as you want it toread"

Repentance? works....does God/Jesus refute it...No He commands it
Baptism in Jesus Name? works...Does God/Jesus refute it...No He commands it

By the way everything after Acts is to the saved who have done the commnand of repentance and baptism in Jesus Name it isn't to the sinner but the saved.
Guess you missed that admonition :

Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

was Yeshua/Jesus the MAN a created being YES
was Yeshua/God the Holy Spirit in the MAN....YES
was Yeshua the MAN GOd incarnate..God with us...YES
Did He give up His life on the cross as a MAN...YES
Did HE raise up His body as GOD....YES
IS the Name of the Holy GHost Yeshua/Jesus....YES
IS the Name of the Father Yeshua/Jesus......YES
IS tne Name of the Son Yeshua/Jesus....YES
Is Yeshua the whole Godhead.....HOLY GHOST AND MAN....YES
IS it scriptural...EVERY PART OF IT.
your good at name calling,outright lying,misrepresenting what people say in their posts....all traits of your father Satan.      

you do not have a savior.  you have a God who plays Roles.


prophet If you ever play a part in a role before like a movie etc..... you know that person is not real in real life.

God to you plays as The Son they is really NO SON but somone playing a role as One

Baptism is a command for obedience not salvation.

as for acts 2:38 you total skip over The Historical context of that verse.

as in mark 16:16 you skip over whoever does not believe shall be damned.

Why did Jesus word it this way? BECAUSE he knew TRUE believers which their salvation result in Trusting and believing in Jesus without any works we have to do saved them and that if their confession is true they will be baptism.

was Yeshua/Jesus the MAN a created being YES

No Jesus himself make it clear he was with the Father before the world was.

You might want to change the text for it fits yours to say The thought of the son was with The father.


was Yeshua/God the Holy Spirit in the MAN....YES

again scripture calls the HG the spirit of Christ not Christ himself


was Yeshua the MAN GOd incarnate..God with us...YES

agree jesus is The incarnate God in the flesh.

Did He give up His life on the cross as a MAN...YES

yes The father left jesus when he had taken all his sins The father could not indwell in his body that is filled with sin.



Did HE raise up His body as GOD....YES  

Agree the father gave Jesus power over everything heaven and earth. if this power was not given he could not.



IS the Name of the Holy GHost Yeshua/Jesus....YES No again The HG is called The spirit of Christ.
IS the Name of the Father Yeshua/Jesus......YES No again you love to skip over basic meanings of words in there context.

IS tne Name of the Son Yeshua/Jesus....YES

agree



s Yeshua the whole Godhead.....HOLY GHOST AND MAN....YES
IS it scriptural...EVERY PART OF IT.

yet you failed to understand even jesus himself said I am in The father.

I guess this is the same way of saying I'm in The Godhead.



your good at name calling,outright lying,misrepresenting what people say in their posts....all traits of your father Satan.      

name calling Prophet are you sure you want to accuse with the very thing you guilty of?  take the plank out of your eye first.


lying she  lied Please direct me where has ripley lied?

In fact  it you who lies when you know  very well what we Believe and yet still  go about your misrepresenting on what we believe.




your good at name calling,outright lying,misrepresenting what people say in their posts....all traits of your father Satan.  


You know what funny NO ONE excpet you has over accuse ripley of anything of this sort before.

This just means the very words you use against ripley are empty because you do not have witness excpet maybe for steadfast But  for everyone else no one has over accuse her of anything of the sort.

The problem is failure to follow Sola-scriptura?????   Riiiiiight.  Who’s Sola Scriptura?  Yours?  Steadfasts? Calvins? Luthers? Knox? Zwingli? …………………………..

Sure Chafer, everything is the fault of a corrupt Pope or some other Roman Catholic, because they are all greedy and power hungry.

You expect the Eastern Orthodox Church to admit they changed and not the Roman Catholic Church????

Sorry but I didn’t get the list from a web-site (I would have used a phone book instead) and I didn’t mean for it to be a list only of denominations.  Nor did I intend the list to be only Protestant as you define it.  These other “non-Protestant” denominations formed from their implementation of sola-scriptura. It was meant to show the division in the Body of Christ sola-scriptura has brought forth.  Every single one of the denominations can be shown to have started after the Reformation, many less than a few decades after the man made tradition of sola-scriptura was invented.  It is an accurate picture of the division since the Reformation.  Sorry if it seems anti-Protestant, it was intended to be anti-sola-scriptura.  And “symbolic” baptism just so happened to start around this time as well.

Well this thread has pretty much denigrated into complete uselessness (and I’ll share in the blame).  The thread was supposed to look at baptism in scripture from the view point of the authors of early church writings.  No one seems to care what some of the courageous martyrs of the early church had to say about it. All I see now is more “sola-scriptura” debates, division, and accusations.  

If any one cares to discuss these writings, I’ll resume my participation in this thread.  Otherwise, have at it!

Prophet (and Steadfast)~

I have nothing more to say to either of you, you have a different gospel and no savior. You don't understand that Jesus has an eternal relationship with the Father, He Himself describes that relationship...not just talking to Himself, etc.

You have two Jesuses. A mere man on the cross, which is no savior at all.

I can't help you because someone has told you that "in" means "is" and you believe it regardless of what scripture says.

So, I am done trying to convince you otherwise. But I won't let you deceive others. So, I will refute your claims when they arise, but will not have futile conversations with you directly.

I've told you all this before.

Prophet, you jumped in the middle of a conversation without reading the previous posts, then ask questions based on what you THINK my position is. Like:


HERE is my position.

So, who is misrepresenting whom?