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Can someone clarify what Israel means and why it's supposedly so important for God?

Is that because it comes written in the Bible that happens to be written from the hebrews?

What does the US, UK and Israel alliance means? What do you think in the recent bombings in Gaza?


Please help me with this subject as I'm confused. Thank you.

Why are you confused is maybe more the question.

Is-ra-el has a lot of meanings. Straight with The Almighty. The song of the Almighty. Etc. etc.

The U.S. or the U.K. where never unified by God I think, they are not even 1 nation, but a group with all kind of backgrounds, so the blessings per person might be different.

Israel has special blessings in the Bible. Also the Arabs have other blessings than non-Arabs. Besides that the real Palestinians come from Ham, What means ''Hot'' so hottempered people. ''Hamas'' in Hebrew means Terror. not a new word, straight out of the Bible.

That we gave Gaza to Saudi-Arabia via Palestinian people who have connections with the Saudi's gave Hamas not so much the democratic majority. Hamas took over Christians and Fatah in Gaza, did expell them partly, and Hamas is most undemocratic.
For 6 months we had some peace around the borders, but everybody was getting more wapons. In Israel and Turkey we have democratic governments, Israel has palestinian party's in the government.

But why do you ask? Do you want to see Israel as some Christian-Peace loving nation? I don't like that about 400 palestinians lost there lives.
But It's nothing compared to the almost 100.000 Iraki's who had to loose their lives the last 5 years, because of that Saddam wanted to change the PetroDollar exchange into Euro's...
Most of the times the U.S.A, Israel and the Arab states didn't listen to the U.N. but did what they wanted themselves. Most of the time the U.K. and European countries try to ask the U.N. first.
The US, UK, Israel alliance is mainly there to protect the income from PetroDollars, to keep the Anglo controlled powership into the world. In 2003 the Anglo countries took over the German and French oilsources in Irak for example. The war is about all kind of things. America is threathened if oil will be traded in Euro's in the stockmarket, that is the main thing.

In the Genesis, Abraham had two sons. The first came through a desire for a child born of a natural seed. If you read the account, the bond womans son's hand will be against everyone. This includes Europeans, Christians of all races, and non -christian Americans. Even the PLO was ousted by Hamas, who had a more deliberate grudge than
the aforementioned, for they positioned themselves in Gaza under the pretense of peace only to begin stockpiling weaponry to destroy Israel.

God chose Abraham to leave his native land, to prove Himself to Abraham
and to allow Abraham to introduce the Monotheistic God of Creation, Yahweh, vs. the pantheistic Gods of the known world.

Moses reminded Israel of God's power to deliver as they were freed later from Egyptian bondage. The Torah was given as instruction for the lifestyle of faith in the God of Israel, and His willingness to forgive, and to preserve their natural and Spiritual lineage through faith in Him.

The promise of Messiah became reality not only for Israel but for the known world as well. (as recorded by the prophets). Whosoever will may come to Y'shua, for He met the righteous requirements of the Law fully, and provided the atonement nnecessary for the sin of all mankind. For if we were to apply the righteousness of Yahweh's law to ouselves first then all of mankind, we all stand in need of the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ.

Rom.3
[29] Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also.

primogenit~



Israel/Yisra'el = "God prevails" (the descendants of Israel/Jacob comprise the Nation Israel today...in other words, ALL gentiles, Arabs and otherwise, who happen to be Israeli legal citizens are NOT "the Nation/People of the Covenant".)




Because He made an everlasting Covenant with Abraham [father of a multitude]; descendants/the Nation through which all nations would be blessed/Messianic Line (Gen 12), the land (Gen 13). Both promises repeated in Gen 15. That Covenant is with/through Sarah [princess] and Isaac/Yitz'chak [laughter], not Hagar [flight] and Ishmael/Yishma'el [God pays attention] (Gen 17).

Yetzirah~ Primogenit has claimed before to be Muslim, not a Christian. (Notice the Islamic charge of forgery?: Is that because it comes written in the Bible that happens to be written from the hebrews?)

Thank you all for clarifying what I already know. I want to know what people in this forum think of God's Nation of Israel, what it's supposed to mean, why Judaism is the pillar of that nation and the importance of the Jewish community for it's fulfillment.


As far as for state of Israel [not the same as the one I mentioned above], I have a different opinion of most in here. To me it was not brought by G-d but men. [I can talk more about that if I'm allowed]. Just look around, watch the news and read the newspaper and tell me what goodness has this state brought to the world. It's there for everyone to see.

Can anyone in here explain what link Lord Balfour and the Rothschild  family had and what their contribution might've been for the existance of the new state?

"Can someone clarify what Israel means and why it's supposedly so important for God?"  - PRIMOGENIT
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Israel means "He who strives for GOD"s blessing." It was the name
given to Jacob and subsequently to all those of like faith, whether
Jew or Gentile.
G0D NEVER called His children "Christian" but always Israel. It was
at Antioch they received this derogatory term.
The Great Apostle Paul thought it all joy to suffer as a Christian.
And let us not forget beloved Peter, who was crucified upside
down, who said, "However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be
ashamed, but praise GOD that you bear that name."
[I PETER 4:16]

SHALOM!
RAB  

I was told Israel means "Those who would rule and reign with God"

RAB,


What is your source material for Peter's final demise as a Christian?

ISRAEL- After the death of Saul the ten tribes arrogated to themselves this name, as if they were the whole nation (2 Sam. 2:9, 10, 17, 28; 3:10, 17; 19:40-43), and the kings of the ten tribes were called "kings of Israel," while the kings of the two tribes were called "kings of Judah."
  After the Exile the name Israel was assumed as designating the entire nation.

Christian is not a derogatory term as you put it !

If you heard God's VOICE you would hear HIM call those who are HIS, CHRISTIAN. EVEN the Angel's IN HEAVEN who minister to me call themselves Christian Angels.
I should remind you that Paul's words were given to him by Jesus.
Ga:2:20: I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

I pray you do hear,
In Christ's Name,
The Lord Jesus!
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NOT ALL TRUE ISRAELITES ARE SAVED, BUT a TRUE CHRISTIAN is!

Even many religious Jews oppose the country Israel because it was not started on religious grounds.  However:

(1)  That land was promised to the Jews in an unconditional promise, beginning with Abraham and passed through Isaac, Jacob, and the Israelites themselves. So, regardless of how the country itself was founded, the land cannot be given to anyone else.

(2)  Letting the Jews have the land Israel is a blessing to the world, especially to anyone who supports letting Jews have the land, as is welcoming Jews into any other country.  The land itself is much better off after the Jews took over.  The troubles in Israel are due to the fact that Islam will not accept anything but complete surrender form non-Muslims.  If you blame Israel for that, then you are in trouble because soon they will be knocking on your door blaming you for the attack they are making because you did not capitulate to them, and to be consistent, you must agree.

(3)  Those who have opposed letting the Jews have the land of Israel have always suffered, from the Romans on down.  The U.S. is suffering right now because they have pressured Israel to give up territory to non-Jews.  As long as any country continues to advocate taking land away from Jews anywhere in the world, but especially in the Promised Land, that country will not prosper.

Regarding the military action in Gaza, it should never have been necessary, but Israel foolishly gave it over to the Palestinians under pressure from the U.S. "for peace".  After the Palestinian government used it as a base to launch over 10,000 rockets into Israel, the Israeli army struck back in defense.  According to a NY Times story I read, Israel destroyed 22,000 buildings and killed 1300 people, yet the NY Times continues to be critical of Israel.  Use your calculator and figure out how to destroy that many buildings and yet kill only that many persons.  Most buildings have more than one person in them normally.