We seem to be going in circles here. Are you saying that Jesus has no mother? If, as scripture tells us, Mary was to give birth to a son, and he shall be called Immanuel, God-with-us, then Jesus is the son of Mary. If Jesus is the son of Mary, Mary must be the mother of Jesus. Mary is the mother of Immanuel. Just because this is difficult to understand (i.e. a "mystery") makes it no less true.
Jesus is FULLY divine AND FULLY human. Any attempts by human reasoning to separate these two natures raises serious theological problems, especially with regards to the Incarnation and the Resurrection. This is precisely the heresy that the early church was fighting when the ecumenical council of Ephesus rightfully acknowledged Mary as "Theotokos".
Yehoshua; Son of G-d; Son of man. Mary; mother of the man;Yeshua in which G-d brought unto the Son;the redemption of Israel ;His perfected seed to break the curse of sin. Mary was part of G-d's redemption. Not to save, but to be saved by the birth of her son!; and blessed as Sarah who bore the covenant of Israel within her womb;Isaac;a man; held the covenant made of G-d , as so did Mary , held the covenant within her womb as well;The New covenant! Immanuel eternal and perfected. Mary can not forgive sin ; only G-d . Yeshua; Son of man; brought the gift of G-d,s redemption unto His people;Israel!from G-d.One G-d;for man!
ALSO IF WE ARE TO READ *SEED OF THE WOMEN* (GEN 3:15) IS THE WOMAN THE PLANT, TENDER, BELOVED OF GOD, SPRINGING FROM THE DRY GROUND, FOUND IN CHRIST OVERSHADOWED BY THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT?
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[28] There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Mary/Abraham belived God.
Holy Spirit (Yahweh's Ruach Hakodesh) begat Adam, Adam being yet Holy was the one from whom Eve was taken both with flesh bearing no infirmity. (Until sin)
In like manner the power of the Holy Spirit, imparted into Mary's womb
the second Adam., Y'shua with flesh bearing no infirmity through or from sin; until Calvary.
If that is reasoning that puts Mary on a sinless level it is very good. Yet
according to Scripture Joseph and Mary died and are with the Lord. This only possible through Christ's atonememt.
I am not fam. enough with Catholic theology to say much more.
I believe when you start thinking in natural biological terms about the mechanics of Jesus birth instead of believing He is Messiah and King
through the supernatural power of God is where the simple truth and the Glory and Wisdom of God can be distorted to fit a natural explanation.
Y'shua said flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom, therefore Mary's spiritual standing before God is what matters. God protected Y'shua's natural birth by Joseph and Mary through dreams and visions. God also most assuredly protected Immanuel the seed of Abraham through the Holy Spirit overshadowing Mary and within Y'shua.
We seem to be going in circles here. Are you saying that Jesus has no mother? If, as scripture tells us, Mary was to give birth to a son, and he shall be called Immanuel, God-with-us, then Jesus is the son of Mary. If Jesus is the son of Mary, Mary must be the mother of Jesus. Mary is the mother of Immanuel. Just because this is difficult to understand (i.e. a "mystery") makes it no less true.
Jesus is FULLY divine AND FULLY human. Any attempts by human reasoning to separate these two natures raises serious theological problems, especially with regards to the Incarnation and the Resurrection. This is precisely the heresy that the early church was fighting when the ecumenical council of Ephesus rightfully acknowledged Mary as "Theotokos".
Serious theological problem? The only theology that a Christian acknowledge is the Scripture not some council of Ephesus, and who are they by the way? With all due respect we dont base our theo to some unknown council...Like what Rav Shaul said in Galatians be aware of the teachings that is not gospel at all...
John 1:1 in the beginning was the Word...not mary...And the WORD became flesh...definitely Yashuah/Jesus... That is the Theology not some man made doctrine of some "fly by night" councils of Ephesus(?) my goodness who are they...
If mary is the "mother" of GOD then GOD "the son" begins from Mary. how did the "guys" from Ephesus analyze the Scripture? According to the whims of the Pagan ROMANS? or according to what GOD said in the Scriptures...Shalom!
If it's not in the Scripture then it is not MAZEL TOV at all...be aware.
I believe when you start thinking in natural biological terms about the mechanics of Jesus birth instead of believing He is Messiah and King
through the supernatural power of God is where the simple truth and the Glory and Wisdom of God can be distorted to fit a natural explanation.
Well said, G-d's redemption comes through Christ; G-d in man to man, and Mary and Joseph were human, and still bound with the curse of death. No matter how many laws we follow and mistakes we make or do not make, does not affect Grace. I believe only denial of the Holy Spirit , and the G-d of Israel , and Yeshua affects Grace. I know many men that walk a even steadfast walk; and seem like they do better than I , but only by the Grace G-d sent from His Son to give those who accept it become His chosen. It is confusing to explain it , and I have asked many devout Catholics on this subject. Some say Mary is an advocate ; being the mother physically of Jesus , and is in Heaven, to ask her Son to hear their prayers, but I believe that Jesus is the advocate for us to ask the Father . Somehow the Mary interjection ; makes a confusion of seeing Jesus as G-d , and Mary the advocate , and Judaic believers think Yeshoshua false, because it does not conform to the Hebrew scriptures. Many disagree with me , that Jesus is not G-d ; He is a man with every fibre of His being filled with G-d; a man who was born, died and was ressurected by G-d ;An individual perfect creation implanted into an imperfect world ,an extension of the Singular G-d;to become the Lion of Judah, and Ruler of Israel;