01-13-2009, 11:18 PM
I am a Roman Catholic and we believe in Jesus Christ our Savior and the God almighty.We may have different beliefs but we can still be one of making the right things to other people.
01-13-2009, 11:18 PM
03-22-2009, 10:54 AM
In Catholicism - I believe that it says that a true child of God can lose their salvation. This is not biblical, is it?
OFT
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. (John 10:27-29 KJV)
OFT
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. (John 10:27-29 KJV)
03-23-2009, 11:31 PM
Welcome Catholic friend,
I have many Catholic friends. I have to admit as a youth I was taught that the Catholics were wrong about just about everything so I never bothered to really see what they were right about that is until G*d put some lovely Catholic lady friends into my life through Right to Life and after spending some time with them I realized....hey they are serving Jesus Christ....they love him as much as I do.....they are devote and pray and worship and all the things I do....so I began to try and learn as much as I could, being a devote Protestent, about why so many Protestants and Catholics dislike one another. Differences.....thats the only reason. We often do the same things they do but call it something else, we often are as convicted about the same things but dont always respond in the same ways. I learned to appreciate them over the years we served G*d together in Right to Life. I am still a Protestant but this is how I am now changed:
1. I was told Catholics pray for the dead and that is wrong but I have prayed for Jeffrey Curley and David Reimer and have asked God to set them free- sounds a lot like praying for the dead to me.
2. I have been told praying to idols is a sin and that praying to the saints is wrong but I have felt the saints presence while praying to G*d and even asked Mary to ask Jesus for a few things only a mother would understand. Then to find that He answered our prayers. The saints are not dead, idols are dead, and I have asked many a friend here on earth to pray for me about something or other and now I have no qualms about asking a saint or one who is alive in Jesus to help me to do what is right or to ask Jesus for me for something. Sounds a might Catholic doesnt it? Its not, its just reality. I have also asked my deceased adopted mother for her guidance and prayers only to sense her with me even more.
3. I was told Catholics do repeating chants and not real prayers. After spending time with two wonderful Catholic sisters in Christ they more than any Protestent I have ever met pray more earntestly, more often, and more sincerely, not to mention much more time spent in prayer. I respect Catholics, I might not agree with every last detail of the church itself but there is far to much good about them to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
I will never be a Catholic or Judeo believer because I am a Protestant, these are just titles anyway, because beneath those titles were just G*ds different children trying to serve Him the best we can.
I have many Catholic friends. I have to admit as a youth I was taught that the Catholics were wrong about just about everything so I never bothered to really see what they were right about that is until G*d put some lovely Catholic lady friends into my life through Right to Life and after spending some time with them I realized....hey they are serving Jesus Christ....they love him as much as I do.....they are devote and pray and worship and all the things I do....so I began to try and learn as much as I could, being a devote Protestent, about why so many Protestants and Catholics dislike one another. Differences.....thats the only reason. We often do the same things they do but call it something else, we often are as convicted about the same things but dont always respond in the same ways. I learned to appreciate them over the years we served G*d together in Right to Life. I am still a Protestant but this is how I am now changed:
1. I was told Catholics pray for the dead and that is wrong but I have prayed for Jeffrey Curley and David Reimer and have asked God to set them free- sounds a lot like praying for the dead to me.
2. I have been told praying to idols is a sin and that praying to the saints is wrong but I have felt the saints presence while praying to G*d and even asked Mary to ask Jesus for a few things only a mother would understand. Then to find that He answered our prayers. The saints are not dead, idols are dead, and I have asked many a friend here on earth to pray for me about something or other and now I have no qualms about asking a saint or one who is alive in Jesus to help me to do what is right or to ask Jesus for me for something. Sounds a might Catholic doesnt it? Its not, its just reality. I have also asked my deceased adopted mother for her guidance and prayers only to sense her with me even more.
3. I was told Catholics do repeating chants and not real prayers. After spending time with two wonderful Catholic sisters in Christ they more than any Protestent I have ever met pray more earntestly, more often, and more sincerely, not to mention much more time spent in prayer. I respect Catholics, I might not agree with every last detail of the church itself but there is far to much good about them to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
I will never be a Catholic or Judeo believer because I am a Protestant, these are just titles anyway, because beneath those titles were just G*ds different children trying to serve Him the best we can.
03-24-2009, 07:36 AM
carlyse_09 Wrote:
I am a Roman Catholic and we believe in Jesus Christ our Savior and the God almighty.We may have different beliefs but we can still be one of making the right things to other people.
carlyse_09, Shalom.
I cannot say I agree with all that Hope states, above. I am not well enough versed in the Catholic ways, to say one way or the other as to their redemption status, short of asking one question, which has nothing to do with being of any denomination:
Have you turned your 'all' over to Jesus, as you Lord, and Savior, and have you been 'Born, Again, in Him?'
If you can respond with an unqualified YES, then you can be of the Purple Denomination, from outer space, for all I care. You are a member of the same family I belong to, the Family of God.
If you cannot attest that you are born again, then I would pray that you talk to a Protestant/Christian/Born Again/Holy Ghost Filled, person, for a good round of witnessing. Sadly, many Catholics I have known, believe that 'being Catholic saves,' and that the priest has the authority to absolve of sin.
Sorry, I am typing too much. Welcome, and think 'smilies' while reading my above. My words sometimes seem to speak louder than I mean them to. I am concerned though, as I always am when someone tells me they are Catholic; concerned for their status in the family of God.
In Messiah, His Shalom, and brotherhood. Arley
03-25-2009, 01:25 AM
I agree we must work out our salvation with fear and trembling to be sure we are in G*ds word and not ours.
I also found many commonalities between Catholics and Protestants and choose to focus on our commonalities instead of our differences. When we looked past our differences in our RTL group we made much progressive in RTL, when some pulled back because it was to Catholicish or too Protestantish, we didnt fare as well in our mutual efforts. Just a fact.
I also found many commonalities between Catholics and Protestants and choose to focus on our commonalities instead of our differences. When we looked past our differences in our RTL group we made much progressive in RTL, when some pulled back because it was to Catholicish or too Protestantish, we didnt fare as well in our mutual efforts. Just a fact.
03-25-2009, 01:07 PM
OneForTruth Wrote:
In Catholicism - I believe that it says that a true child of God can lose their salvation. This is not biblical, is it?
OFT
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. (John 10:27-29 KJV)
OFT - Catholicism and other Christians do not believe in "Once-Saved-Always-Saved" (the "P" in "TULIP" uses as a mnemonic for 5-Point Calvinism). We believe that God grants us total and complete free will and that we are free to turn from his graces at any point. It is not as though someone has taken this gift away, it is that a person exercises his free will and forfeits his inheritance. The parable of the Prodigal Son is one of many examples.
Also, most of us know someone who has professed faith in Jesus, repented, was baptized, etc. and at some point no longer believes and follows. Protestants who believe in OSAS say they have "backslidin" or "were never saved to begin with", others see this as the exercise of free will and the turning from God and his graces.
Here is a very small sampling of scripture that supports the understanding that a person can forfeit their inheritance:
Mt 7:21, Mt 24:13, Rm 11:22, Phil 2:12, 1Cor9:27, 1 Cor 10:11-12, Gal 5:4, 2Tim2:11, Hb 6:4-6, Hb 10:26
04-13-2009, 03:05 PM
carlyse_09 Wrote:
I am a Roman Catholic and we believe in Jesus Christ our Savior and the God almighty.We may have different beliefs but we can still be one of making the right things to other people.
But by not recognizing Mary as the "mother of GOD" i think i can agree. Shalom!
04-14-2009, 12:19 AM
jewpoet Wrote:
carlyse_09 Wrote:
I am a Roman Catholic and we believe in Jesus Christ our Savior and the God almighty.We may have different beliefs but we can still be one of making the right things to other people.
But by not recognizing Mary as the "mother of GOD" i think i can agree. Shalom!
When the title "Mother of God" ("Theotokos" in the Orthodox Church) is used, it is simply an acknowledgement of the mystery of the triune nature of God. That Mary was the mother of Jesus is an undeniable fact, with which I'm sure all agree. Trinitarians believe that Jesus is the great I AM. Mary cannot be the mother of Jesus without also being the "Mother of God". This of course is not to say that she existed before as we might think of with motherhood, or that she is superior, or more powerful, etc. Crazy huh? That is why we call it a "mystery" - not something to be figured out but something to accept in faith.
04-14-2009, 11:38 AM
And where is that in the SCRIPTURE that GOD has a mother? Being an instrument for making birth to a child would not qualify Mary to be the mother of a GOD. Notice in Proverbs? When King Sholomon said "...who is HIS son...?" It doesnt even mention who is HIS mother. Being a mother to Christ would not make her a mother ro a GOD. And if she is really a mother to a GOD then who is Joseph a father of GOD? Did we call it a mystery the motherhood of Mary? I dont know with that because the Scripture doesnt tells us about the mysteries of Mary...
In the GOSPELS " Yashuah even said that my mother and my brothers are those who listens to me and does the will of the father..."
Even Angel Gavrel did not even say that you will become the mother of GOD.
A GOD doesnt have a mother anymore than Jesus had a son...
BTW, find me a reference in the BIBLE that qoutes Mary the mother of GOD...
6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let that person be under God's curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let that person be under God's curse! Galatians 1:6-9
In the GOSPELS " Yashuah even said that my mother and my brothers are those who listens to me and does the will of the father..."
Even Angel Gavrel did not even say that you will become the mother of GOD.
A GOD doesnt have a mother anymore than Jesus had a son...
BTW, find me a reference in the BIBLE that qoutes Mary the mother of GOD...
6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let that person be under God's curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let that person be under God's curse! Galatians 1:6-9
04-15-2009, 11:55 AM
JP – Nowhere does scripture say God has a mother because God the Father doesn’t. But the logic is very simple:
Mary is the mother of Jesus. Yes or no?
Jesus is God. Yes or no?
Therefore, Mary is the mother of Jesus who is God. Yes or no?
I’m not sure why you find this so offensive or claim it is a false gospel. I’m not making this up. The Roman Catholic Church didn’t make it up. Neither did the Eastern Orthodox Church. It is a natural conclusion based on the reality of who God is, who Jesus is, and who Mary is. This very same conclusion was made by all of the Christian leaders at the ecumenical council of Ephesus in 431.
The reason I call this a “mystery” is because it is a difficult concept to grasp. Jesus is both fully human and fully divine. Because of the incarnation and the resurrection, we know that these natures are inseparable. Yet Jesus was conceived in Mary’s womb by the Holy Spirit. Separation of these two natures, or the denial of one or the other was a common heresy the early church battled.
The term “Theotokos” or “Mother of God” does not imply Mary is like God, or give her any authority over God, or imply that she existed before God. It is a reality of who Jesus is and how God chose to dwell among us. This is one of the reasons why Mary, as recorded in sacred scripture, humbly proclaimed “All nations will call me blessed”.
Mary is the mother of Jesus. Yes or no?
Jesus is God. Yes or no?
Therefore, Mary is the mother of Jesus who is God. Yes or no?
I’m not sure why you find this so offensive or claim it is a false gospel. I’m not making this up. The Roman Catholic Church didn’t make it up. Neither did the Eastern Orthodox Church. It is a natural conclusion based on the reality of who God is, who Jesus is, and who Mary is. This very same conclusion was made by all of the Christian leaders at the ecumenical council of Ephesus in 431.
The reason I call this a “mystery” is because it is a difficult concept to grasp. Jesus is both fully human and fully divine. Because of the incarnation and the resurrection, we know that these natures are inseparable. Yet Jesus was conceived in Mary’s womb by the Holy Spirit. Separation of these two natures, or the denial of one or the other was a common heresy the early church battled.
The term “Theotokos” or “Mother of God” does not imply Mary is like God, or give her any authority over God, or imply that she existed before God. It is a reality of who Jesus is and how God chose to dwell among us. This is one of the reasons why Mary, as recorded in sacred scripture, humbly proclaimed “All nations will call me blessed”.